Stop Press !!!!

[LOCUS]

Latest conserning the NEW K1200GT Next Generation. (http://www.k-bikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=725)

Expected introduction end 2005 and will be shown in february 2006 at the Motorai in the Netherlands

Latest acc. BMW - Norway: Will be presented at The MILAN MOTOR SHOW, nov. 15-20, 2005.

[jpalamaro]

Uhhh, and to add to the great lies: I will love you and respect you in the morning, the check is in the mail, it's as good as done, you can depend on me, AND THE NEW GT/RT WILL BE SHOWN IN THE NETHERLANDS IN FEBRUARY 'O6.

C'mon Kjell, you're just trying to breathe some life into tired Miles and his vaporware forum. heh heh

Best Regards

[BeemerDude]

Your glass is "half empty" isn't, John?

[Miles_Miller]

Kjell,

This is terrific news. Usually after the first leak, BMW then does regular updates; let's see what happens in the near future.

Looks like some of my kooky sources were basically correct with their information if you look at some of my "updates" on this forum both here and on the old site.

I sure was sceptical when told of hid lights, for instance. The rest seems pluasible since it already exists on other bikes. I'm now wondering about any change in the brake system; remember the rumor about the firm Continental Teves make the next generation system for BMW.

That rumor about using a, get this, more "tour" oriented transmission will also be interesting to see if it's true; i.e. removing the K-S tranny, and replacing it with the six speed one from the RT.

At this point we, need more, more info for the revitalization of the "Next Generation" forum. More pictures; weight discussed and reported on as well as a run-down on all the new features.

Miles

[aks801]

Greetings, all. Great admirer of the current K1200GT. First post in the forum.

Can we assume this anticipated new generation model will have the same front suspension treatment as the recently introduced K1200R and S? Certainly makes for a longer bike.

alan in houston

[mikeodial]

I hear that the new tranny will be completely silent and along with belt drive to keep streets clean like their upcoming 800......

Each new GT will come with noise repelling earplugs..... ;-)

[Razel]

That rumor about using a, get this, more "tour" oriented transmission will also be interesting to see if it's true; i.e. removing the K-S tranny, and replacing it with the six speed one from the RT.

MilesI wonder if it'll be the RT transmission or the S transmission with different gear-sets. The whole idea behind the cassette tranny was the easy of change, but that'd have to hold true for the factory as well as the field. Lot of work on the transmission case to get it from longitudal to lateral as well.
Either way, I hope they put a shorter first gear in it.

[BMKrider]

Rumours abound that during the NEC Motorcycle Show in Birminghan that BMW will be showing a new bike. Dealers are unsure as to whether this will be the F800 or (and most likely according to dealers) the new K1200GT.

Either way the show opens tomorrow (Friday 27th Oct) and I'll be attending next Tuesday; so not too long to wait now for me.

[Vince_nj1]

Could this be the new offering??

BMW have released the official photos of their new long distance motorcycle, the BMW R1200GS-Adventure motorcycle. This is the solidified version of their popular R1200GS motorcycle, and consists of an extra big gas tank, holding 33 liters, an extra high windscreen, cylinder and tank protectors, larger foot pegs and the break and gear selector are adjustable. The handlebars are adjustable as well. The hand protectors form part of the standard delivery.



The alternator has been beefed up to supply 720 W. The gearbox is "as-is" on the standard R1200GS. At order time you can select normal or off-road tires.

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf

[eljeffe]

The public showing at NEC is tomorrow. The press showing was today.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102451

[JamesTexas]

Wish my legs were longer......

[Miles_Miller]

Holy smoke (only expressive phrase I can think of at the moment) those folks over on the GS board are so excited about this new Adventure GS! And, for you guys on this thread, I can feel it; that new GS is just spectacular! Looks like more than a few will be trading their relatively new 12GS's on this new bike. And the thread went on for six pages - I read every post this morning. I love it when a group of motorcylist can get this excited about a new dream machine coming down the pike.

I'll bet as soon as we get the same range of hi-viz phots of the new GT we will run out of bandwidth on this little forum; maybe eclispsing the number of pictures and posts on the GS board this morning.

One of the reasons I went down the list of posts was to see if there was anything regarding a new brake system on this very new BMW motorcycle. Other than the fact that abs is an option, like it is for the slant-fours, there didn't seem to be anything suggesting a change to a new, non-servo abs brake system on the GS Adventure.

There are two rumors that I've floated on this forum that, frankly, I'm beginning to doubt. The first is the new brake system rumor. We'll see on that one. The other is a different tranny for the new GT. The tranny rumor comes from the dealer ranks; and sure, they'd like to see a smoother shifting tranny for the GT, but I'm betting now, BMW just massages the current one in the K-R and K-S. That might be good for us K-R and K-S riders since, maybe, any "improvement" can be adopted.

Hey, folks, thanks for sticking with us during the "nothing-out-there" phase for the new GT; and watch out for this forum to literally explode when the "official" photos streak across your screen!

Miles

[milkman]

Interesting......no red color.....guess the reason is obvious....at least to me!

[dkeven]

yep got to keep the red exclusive they do.

[LOCUS]

Latest acc. BMW - Norway: Will be presented at The MILAN MOTOR SHOW, nov. 15-20, 2005.

[Miles_Miller]

Kjell,


That's the motorcycle show they postponed for a few weeks. Almost makes you think they did it to accomodate BMW for the roll-out of the new K-GT! <g>

Really curious to see what they did in developing this bike; probably because we've been talking about it for such a long period of time spanning two websites and countless posts. Kind of reminds me of the long wait (for a variety of reasons) on the K-S.

On a related note, it would also be interesting to see the total 2005 sales for the K-S as well as all the new generation Beemers to see if they are selling at a brisk rate.

Miles

[LOCUS]

Sure Miles

And why not, could well be a question from The Bavarians..pls postpone....due time.
But Miles, the hype we all experiensed waiting of the coming K1200S, we simply will not have, and this due lack of 'teasers' that drove 'us' more or less crazy..
I am wondering how it would look like...but to have it said, never ever will I even consider trading the S for this one...

[Miles_Miller]

never ever will I even consider trading the S for this one...
__________________

Had an RS, had a GT, now have the S......I agree, the K-S is a benchmark bike. For me it's a keeper, too. It is interesting to me to see all the new generation motorcycles that spring from the "S" like the K-R and hopefully, soon the K-GT. Guess it's kind of a validation of sorts for the bike we choose to ride, the engine itself, as well as the nifty front suspension.

Well, there's one other reason for hoping the K-GT arrives soon - maybe we can keep John P. from jumping ship for the good ship Yamaha! If they do the retune right on the new K-GT you might not need an automatic transmission.

Miles

[BMWHP.org]

Latest acc. BMW - Norway: Will be presented at The MILAN MOTOR SHOW, nov. 15-20, 2005.
From what we have been told from our sources, the F800S and the R1200S are going to be premiered in Milan.

The new K1200GT tentative plan has it being introduced in Spring '06 with no word on when it will be generally available.

[eljeffe]

That jibes with my info. The GT will be announced to coincide with the Dealer Meeting that should occur in early 2006 (Jan or Feb) with a rollout to dealers in March (possibly April). The information that I have also says that the GT is actually ready for rollout NOW, but because of production limitations at the factory (i.e., other bikes on the production schedule), the GT was bumped in favor of the new R1200GS Adventure, the F800S, and the R1200S.

My source also tells me that the new F bike will probably NOT be seen in the US anytime soon -- An $11000 price tag puts this 800cc motorcycle out of the "acceptible" price range for US customers.

To BMWHP: I would love an opportunity to share rumors, so feel free to contact me via PM or email me at eljeffe@k-bikes.com and we can go over each other's notes.

[milkman]

yep got to keep the red exclusive they do.
yep, exclusive....save that paint for little red wagons and fire trucks.

[hass]

Found this picture on another site:

[BMKrider]

I visited the NEC show in Birmingham yesterday and spoke with a senior guy at the BMW stand.

He told me he has seen the new GT bike and was able to confirm a few points for me.

The bike will have 150+hp
Same front forks setup as the K-S and K-R
It will have 2 FULL size panniers as standard (about the same size as the RT and MAY well be the same as)
A top box will be optional.
It will have ESA and may also have as standard Traction Control. If not it will be offered as an optional extra.
The front fairing is a little more aggressive than the RT and purports to have great weather protection.
Multiple front lights aka RT etc
Cruise, Computer, LCD instruments screen etc.
Electric screen
It will PROBABLY be announced at the Milan show in two weeks
It will also appear at the London show in January
Deliveries start in the UK in March/April

I forgot to ask about tank range - dam!

Looks as if we're getting closer!!

[CABNFVR]

.......................

Looks as if we're getting closer!!
Let's just keep our fingers crossed, and hope it's close to this (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelhome/180/0/home.aspx).

[Miles_Miller]

Graham,

Yes indeed, it does "looks as if we're getting closer"! And the Milan show input links up (got to use an internet term, here <g>) with Locus' information that it be the Milan show. Usually BMW proivdes a few official photos before it's official; but then, they didn't with the new GS Adventure at the London show. Just thinking out of the box, a little and hoping for a preview of coming attractions.

It's fun to read posts like yours giving a little optimisim and interest for this forum; and the interesting thing is looking for even more new guesses at features that we haven't read before. In that category comes the "traction control" feature. Didn't the Goldwing (or does) it have this feature right now? Sounds like a nifty idea for those areas that get liberally doused with sand and gravel during the winter, not to mention road construction with the same issue; seems like a good idea if you're design a bike with two-up riding in mind and that's what a lot of folks are looking for in this new K-GT.

Thanks for thinking of us as you perused the motorcycle show and thought to ask about the new GT.

Miles

[phil_p]

Bmkrider,

Thanks for the long awaited info from what appears to be from the horses mouth. My
guess is that BMW will be hard pressed to keep the new gt under $19k with some of
the standard equip that you mentioned. I hope they soften up the front end just a bit as
I found the S to be too firm for more of a touring model.

ride safe,

Phil

[sinc]

Let's just keep our fingers crossed, and hope it's close to this (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelhome/180/0/home.aspx).

Let's hope it's not (another Japanese look-alike)!

If I'd wanted a FJR I would have bought one...would've been cheaper too.

[CABNFVR]

Let's hope it's not (another Japanese look-alike)!

If I'd wanted a FJR I would have bought one...would've been cheaper too.
Not the look - the specs. The FJR1300 has everything BMW used to have for sport-touring. I want those specs on the new GT.

Trivia: It was the Honda ST1100 that had traction control. Honda dropped it after only a year or two.

[sinc]

Not the look - the specs. The FJR1300 has everything BMW used to have for sport-touring. I want those specs on the new GT.

Trivia: It was the Honda ST1100 that had traction control. Honda dropped it after only a year or two.

I just read thru the specs but I can't say there is much there that isn't on the GT. I already have an ambient temp gauge, gear indicator, great wind protection, shaft drive ABS etc... and many features the FJ doesn't...anti-dive front end, servo assisted brakes, quality gauges, heated seat, heated grips, cruise control...it's a long list. GT's better lookin' too IMHO.

My only real complaint with the GT is the weight (but this provides a feeling of stability at speed) and having 1 hard case smaller then the other.

All in all the GT is just a great package. I don't know why anyone would consider trading the GT for an FJ.

[1960apache]

Thanks for the statement, I am actually so tired of hearing people talk about the Yamaha FJ here in a BMW motorcycle forum, trying to do some "soft flaming' of the the BMW, which has more heritage, refinement and character than any bike made period!
I dont see people on the BMW M-3 forum talking about how great their Japanese whatever is and that it is better than an M-3 because it is cheaper, has more gadgets etc. The Japanese will never make a bike or performance car, that has the feeling of a BMW, they are good at trinkets and gadgets, but don't make a bike that feels like a 20k bike!
It seems like once a month we have someone on an FJ or ST show up for the Sunday ride, and all they do is talk about how much cheaper their bike is and blah, blah, blah!!! Geez, really, I didn't know that there are other bikes out there that are cheaper than a BMW!! I really do live in a cave!! Come on, stop insulting our intelligence!!
Our normal Sunday ride consist of leaving Reno, heading to Fisherman's Warf in San Francisco for lunch and then back to Reno by the afternoon-evening, the FJ, ST guys are ready to head back by the time we get to the Sacramento area, AH, revenge is great, "Bet your glad you saved a few grand on your bike now??" is the normal comment from the BMW guys with a puzzled look on there faces because it has only been 2 hours into the ride, and we are just getting warmed up for the day!
OK, I made my point, sorry to vent, I come here to find the latest on the new GT because I am debating the RT1200 vs the new unknown GT, and I have to read about other bikes that I already know the details on and don't really care to read more about.
Anyone have any real spy photos, and not the photoshop stuff??

[eljeffe]

The only thing the FJR is really missing is the electronic cruise control. The improved airflow will go a long way to elimiating the risk of testicular sterilization. :) The electronic shift is interesting, but I don't think it has the market appeal that a good electronic cruise control would have. The ergos on the current FJR are as good, if not better than the current GT (BMW made a big mistake with the fixed mount bars on the GT). And power delivery on the FJR just blows the RS/GT away. But what would you expect comparing the 1980's technology flying brick powerplant to the R1 influenced Yamaha powerplant?

Yamaha has produced a very capable sport touring machine. It may not have the refinement (or BMW roundel) on it, but it is an extremely nice machine. It does demonstrate that BMW is still the target that everyone is shooting for in the Sport Touring market, but is also shows just how far the Japanese manufacturers have come in getting very close to that target. All one has to do is look at the Iron Butt results and see how many more Japanese contenders are completing the event. What Paris-Dakar is to the off-road/dual-sport bikes, Iron Butt is to long distance touring.

[727cpt]

Let's hope it's not (another Japanese look-alike)!

If I'd wanted a FJR I would have bought one...would've been cheaper too.

I agree. The very reason I got a refund from D&H for my deposit on the new FJR. Just something about a BMW that the Japs can't capture.

[727cpt]

Thanks for the statement, I am actually so tired of hearing people talk about the Yamaha FJ here in a BMW motorcycle forum, trying to do some "soft flaming' of the the BMW, which has more heritage, refinement and character than any bike made period!
I dont see people on the BMW M-3 forum talking about how great their Japanese whatever is and that it is better than an M-3 because it is cheaper, has more gadgets etc. The Japanese will never make a bike or performance car, that has the feeling of a BMW, they are good at trinkets and gadgets, but don't make a bike that feels like a 20k bike!
It seems like once a month we have someone on an FJ or ST show up for the Sunday ride, and all they do is talk about how much cheaper their bike is and blah, blah, blah!!! Geez, really, I didn't know that there are other bikes out there that are cheaper than a BMW!! I really do live in a cave!! Come on, stop insulting our intelligence!!
Our normal Sunday ride consist of leaving Reno, heading to Fisherman's Warf in San Francisco for lunch and then back to Reno by the afternoon-evening, the FJ, ST guys are ready to head back by the time we get to the Sacramento area, AH, revenge is great, "Bet your glad you saved a few grand on your bike now??" is the normal comment from the BMW guys with a puzzled look on there faces because it has only been 2 hours into the ride, and we are just getting warmed up for the day!
OK, I made my point, sorry to vent, I come here to find the latest on the new GT because I am debating the RT1200 vs the new unknown GT, and I have to read about other bikes that I already know the details on and don't really care to read more about.
Anyone have any real spy photos, and not the photoshop stuff??

What I meant to say only better. I'm also debating the RT v GT.

[sinc]

The only thing the FJR is really missing is the electronic cruise control.
I don't agree, it's missing much more than that...see my previous post.

And power delivery on the FJR just blows the RS/GT away.
I respectfully disagree here too. The delivery on the GT has a silky smooth feel the FJ does not, and when it comes to raw acceleration there is only .3 seconds difference (not really noticable in the real world) in the 0-60 time...if you don't believe me, check out the back of Motorcyclist magazine under "Hard Numbers".

All that said, is the FJR a nice bike?...sure...better than a GT/RS?...no, not by a long shot...not in my opinion.

[1960apache]

Thanks guys for standing ground with me on this one! Like I said, I get really tired of the "Soft Flaming" of the BMW product. I think I have riden most bikes out there wondering if I am missing the boat or something, I do the same with cars (love my 05-M3) and nothing seems to have the same feel, sound, real world performance, comfort, safety, quality etc as a BMW, in most cases, at any price. I haven't bought anything but BMW products for I dont know how long now! (sure the new porsches are great german cars, but the price, Ughh!!) And someone trying to insult my intelligence with caca about how a 12-14K Jap bike, is just as good or "Better" than a BMW?? "Come on, I mean really"
Anyway, I keep taking as many demo ride's of the new R1200RT as I can, great bike, but it reminds me of why I like the K bikes so much, but I keep holding off, waiting to see what the new GT is like, I traded an 02 R1150 RT, for a 03 Blue-White K1200RS, and traded that for an 05 Blue-White K1200S, so I have had the full spectrum to compare, they all have their great specific traits. I miss the RT for the comfort of 2 up all day, multi-day rides, the RS is classy, unigue, smooth, great 2-up, and I miss the cruise control, the KS is probably going to cause me to lose my license some day, the power is just friggin awesome, thank god for "Rev Limiters" that seems to be the range the motor remains once out of the city, the power is just too addicting!! But for 2 up, all weekend jaunts, I would like something exactly like the K1200RT, but with the inline 4. I like the character of the boxer, but love the power of the inline 4!
Ah, the search for the perfect bike!!!!

[petepeterson]

1960apache,,,

you really need to go take a loooonnnnngggg test ride on a K1200LT:)

[sinc]

But what would you expect comparing the 1980's technology flying brick powerplant to the R1 influenced Yamaha powerplant?

That's like saying the Corvette 350ci engine is out dated because it's an evolution of the small block Chevy introduced in the 50's. One only has to glance at the specs on the engine powering the RS/GT to see it's a pretty sophisticated power plant.

[eljeffe]

Actually it's not. Aside from making changes to the bore and stroke through the years, the flying brick is unchanged from the day it was introduced. You can't say the same thing about the Corvette engine. There's nothing wrong with that. But since you have decided to take my words out of context, I'll go ahead and put it back: The FJR has had the benefit of receiving a powerplant based on the design work that went into the R1. The current flying brick in the K1200RS and K1200GT is at its design limits in terms of power output and is in need of a replacement. The new slant-4 S/R engine is the future. The brick is dead.

I still prefer the K1200RS/GT over the FJR, but you guys playing the "BMW can do no wrong" card are sniffing carb cleaner or smoking crack. Between the "box 'o rocks" feel at idle, the flying brick's 4500 RPM buzz, a FI map dips and flat spots all over the place, leaking timing chain covers, and other issues, the Japanese manufacturers are catching up with the K1200RS. If BMW doesn't get its house in order, they will soon become a distant memory in the motorcycle world. A 7% shrinkage in the US dealer network, a 4 year downward death spiral in terms of sales since 2000, dropping in market share year over year, and falling behind Triumph and even possibly Ducati in worldwide sales is not something to be happy about and inspire confidence in the future.

[mikeodial]

Thanks guys for standing ground with me on this one! Like I said, I get really tired of the "Soft Flaming" of the BMW product. I think I have riden most bikes out there wondering if I am missing the boat or something, I do the same with cars (love my 05-M3) and nothing seems to have the same feel, sound, real world performance, comfort, safety, quality etc as a BMW, in most cases, at any price. I haven't bought anything but BMW products for I dont know how long now! (sure the new porsches are great german cars, but the price, Ughh!!) And someone trying to insult my intelligence with caca about how a 12-14K Jap bike, is just as good or "Better" than a BMW?? "Come on, I mean really"
Anyway, I keep taking as many demo ride's of the new R1200RT as I can, great bike, but it reminds me of why I like the K bikes so much, but I keep holding off, waiting to see what the new GT is like, I traded an 02 R1150 RT, for a 03 Blue-White K1200RS, and traded that for an 05 Blue-White K1200S, so I have had the full spectrum to compare, they all have their great specific traits. I miss the RT for the comfort of 2 up all day, multi-day rides, the RS is classy, unigue, smooth, great 2-up, and I miss the cruise control, the KS is probably going to cause me to lose my license some day, the power is just friggin awesome, thank god for "Rev Limiters" that seems to be the range the motor remains once out of the city, the power is just too addicting!! But for 2 up, all weekend jaunts, I would like something exactly like the K1200RT, but with the inline 4. I like the character of the boxer, but love the power of the inline 4!
Ah, the search for the perfect bike!!!!


Bad news is there is no perfect bike. Good news is there is no perfect bike!

This means we can own more than one. I love the KRS as a tourer, but have been looking for something that will make me feel a little more at one with the sport side of sport touring. I have found it, the Aprilia Tuono. A little bit of persuasion and I have a second bike that will meet my wilder moments and I will keep my mind open about what BMW is going to provide to us with the new GT.

Personally, I hope its closer to the sport side of the current S rather than the RT. We already have the RT/LT and all sorts of stuff between this and a Gold Wing. I am not interested in going that far, at least until I have a few more years on me.

[dkeven]

Well I am the onwer of a 2004 GT1200 and the bike is terrific, fast, smooth, good looking and comfortable. I have noted the KS arrival with interest and ridden the KS twice and the KR once. I am looking forward to the SGT impending arrival. However I am sorely dissapointed in the latest and possibly last generation BMW offerings. My first BMW was the R1200 Phoenix, another standout looking bike but woefully inadequate in several areas. I bought it over the other offerings out there due to the BMW marque heritage, quality and technology. I would buy a BMW car in a instant if my paycheck was a little bigger. The new bikes appear to have all kinds of whiz-bang technology, ESA, nifty computer screen, Hossackish front suspension and gobs of horsepower. But they lack what I see as BMW style, the conformance to Japanese influence is worse then the Phoenix's attempt at Harley market niche. The R1200C had a short life and I hope the current inline 4 does not suffer the same fate, I hope the technology is expanded to include a smoother shifting, vibration free, properly faired sport touring bike. One that can be ridden in the rain without being hermetically sealed, ridden in the cold without frost bitten extremities and ridden year round on all types of roads. The Phoenix was freezing in the winter and hot on the ashpalt in the summer. The GT is the closest thing to perfect I have found. It's my 12th motorcycle, First faired one. The difference between the inline fours now and the Asian imports hardly justifies the price for me, the stealer network makes it even more difficult, with canbus etc. how user servicable will they remain? I can do all the GT needs sans the motronics diagnostics and tweaks. For those of you that can afford several bikes the S in its versions may be an interesting diversion from the others. For me and my one bike many jobs mentality I will wait for something else to crop up better than the GT its not here yet.

[mikeodial]

Well I am the onwer of a 2004 GT1200 and the bike is terrific, fast, smooth, good looking and comfortable. I have noted the KS arrival with interest and ridden the KS twice and the KR once. I am looking forward to the SGT impending arrival. However I am sorely dissapointed in the latest and possibly last generation BMW offerings. My first BMW was the R1200 Phoenix, another standout looking bike but woefully inadequate in several areas. I bought it over the other offerings out there due to the BMW marque heritage, quality and technology. I would buy a BMW car in a instant if my paycheck was a little bigger. The new bikes appear to have all kinds of whiz-bang technology, ESA, nifty computer screen, Hossackish front suspension and gobs of horsepower. But they lack what I see as BMW style, the conformance to Japanese influence is worse then the Phoenix's attempt at Harley market niche. The R1200C had a short life and I hope the current inline 4 does not suffer the same fate, I hope the technology is expanded to include a smoother shifting, vibration free, properly faired sport touring bike. One that can be ridden in the rain without being hermetically sealed, ridden in the cold without frost bitten extremities and ridden year round on all types of roads. The Phoenix was freezing in the winter and hot on the ashpalt in the summer. The GT is the closest thing to perfect I have found. It's my 12th motorcycle, First faired one. The difference between the inline fours now and the Asian imports hardly justifies the price for me, the stealer network makes it even more difficult, with canbus etc. how user servicable will they remain? I can do all the GT needs sans the motronics diagnostics and tweaks. For those of you that can afford several bikes the S in its versions may be an interesting diversion from the others. For me and my one bike many jobs mentality I will wait for something else to crop up better than the GT its not here yet.

There is definately more 'technology marketing" going on right now to fill niches at BMW than creating an identity. The only thing that seems to be a common thread is "look like a Yamaha" and an almost Victorian passion to cover things up. The results is a lot of niche machines but without a common identify. Perhaps that's the point, the love of BMWs is about the technology and reliability and not how they look. After all you have to go way back in time to find a good looking twin, to the cruisers IMHO. (Apologies, the twin never turned me on).

I will admit I bought the KRS because of the ride, fortunately, it also looks great.

Anyway, I remain hopeful for the GT, but it may be that the new 800cc twin will be the best looking of the new bunch, certainly the pics look a great deal better than the ST/RT line. Just my 2cs

[RFWILSON]

Kjell,

That rumor about using a, get this, more "tour" oriented transmission will also be interesting to see if it's true; i.e. removing the K-S tranny, and replacing it with the six speed one from the RT.
Miles

Not possible. The K1200S transmission is a cassette type, that is an entirely different design than on any other BMW. The RT transmission (or even just its internals) hasn't a hope of fitting to a K-S type motor.

Bob.