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Old Mar 3rd, 2009, 3:13 am
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Want your K1200 clutch to feel like the new K1300?

Thought that would grab your attention! Just had my bike back from my local BMW dealer (Vines, UK) for them to assess the judder in my clutch on my 08 K1200GT with 4000 miles. They agreed it shouldn't judder as much as it did and changed the clutch plates yesterday morning but ,importantly, they have also changed the spec of oil that the clutch is running in to 5W (as per the 1300) instead of the 10W that was previously spec-ed by BMW.

This upgrade was only announced yesterday by BMW in the UK so my bike would appear to be one of the first 1200's to have the change and the difference is like night and day......the clutch is now so, so smooth and progressive, with all hints of judder or sudden take-up eliminated.

Three techs from the dealership test-rode it yesterday and all said the bike felt as good as a 1300 clutch set-up.

Well worth doing. Of course I can't personally tell you how much of the change is down to the new clutch plates as opposed to the change in oil spec, but the techs were very keen to credit a lot of the improvement to the oil change.
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Old Mar 3rd, 2009, 5:53 am
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Old Mar 3rd, 2009, 8:57 am
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Not sure what bearing in the foot controls has to do with the clutch lever, but BMW also increased the size of the clutch slave cylinder. That probably produced the biggest change in feel of the new K1300.

If you want one of these, Ken at Evoluzione sells a larger slave cylinder for our K1200's.
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Old Mar 9th, 2010, 3:54 am
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under warranty

Did they replace the clutch plates under warranty? I recently requested mine to be replaced due to 'rattle' when engine is idle but BMW said that that was normal - but did mention something about a lighter oil (my dealer 'Maddocks' in Dublin Ireland) said that they used the 'new' oil - but now am not sure.

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Old Mar 9th, 2010, 10:01 am
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My 07 GT clutch started sqwauking (judder) on take off, vibration in neutral was minor.

The dealer replaced the clutch plates, along with the new super 'spensive recommended oil. Judder is gone for now, but the vibration in neutral (clutch lever out) is much worse.

All was done under warranty.... but it sure seems like I traded one problem for another...

The engine doesn't seem as smooth in cruise either, but it is difficult to tell if this is the clutch vibration or improper synchronization of the intake system. All this took place at the 24,000 mile service...

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So are you saying they recommend 5W-40 engine oil?
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Old Mar 9th, 2010, 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by BeniciaRT
So are you saying they recommend 5W-40 engine oil?

Yes, BMW changed the recommended oil to 5W-40 for the GT about 8-10 months ago.
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Old Mar 9th, 2010, 12:02 pm
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I'm on my fourth clutch. Yes, the judder goes away for a while, but for me, it always came back. Sometimes in as little as 2,000 miles. So now I just keep riding the damn thing.

As for oil, the current BMW spec for engine oil is:
4L Motor Oil Power 1 Racing 4T 5W-40 BMW Part# 83 12 2 153 837

I don't have a current price from BMW, but I have gotten similar oil from Cycle Gear. Look for:
4L Repsol Moto Racing 4T 100% Synth SAE 10W-50 $56.99 (4 liter jug)

This meets BMW's JASO spec. Note that BMW used to recommend the 10W-50, but now recommends 5W-40. It looks like the Repsol 4T is also available in a 5W-40 weight.
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Old Mar 9th, 2010, 12:11 pm
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Found the Castrol 4T oil at motorcycle superstore HERE!

Someone posted this up on another forum.
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Old Mar 9th, 2010, 4:30 pm
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I changed over to the 5W-40 last fall when I put the bike up for the winter so I haven't gotten the chance to see if it makes much difference yet.

The BMW oil is packaged by Spectro Oils of America which is what I'll be using now that my dealer has closed. The local Ducati shop can get it.

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