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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old Jun 22nd, 2010, 3:59 pm Thread Starter
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Talking to a lady whose business is selling motorcyle gear on ebay. Thousands of bucks went missing. Some one got into her ebay site, changed the paypal account and cleaned her out. Paypal will not wear it, nor will ebay.
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what happened to me....

Interesting. About three months ago I got a stealth email that I thought eminated from another MC forum I belong to. I opened the email and, apparently, unleashed a virus that started some serious s**t in my laptop. Then, at the office a few days later, I get an email from eBay telling me my password had been changed. Knowing that to be BS I contacted them and found out someone hacked my account. They closed it and transferred my activity to a new name and then I went to PayPal to make sure it wasn't corrupted.

I ended up changing all my business transaction account passwords and then had to do a complete wipe and reinstall of my laptop in order to get rid of the bugs.

Getting back to eBay; I found them to be helpful but almost ambivalent in terms of finding out who the culprit is. Something tells me they have a serious security problem they don't want to own up to. As for me all I can say is that I'm rarely on eBay now and it'll take a lot to make me want to buy or sell anything there.

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Someone had been trading under my ebay name. No harm done. I keep nothing in paypal, and the bank account I use currently has a credit of $1-27 and that is all it is good for.
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I used an ATM card to do an online purchase from a merchant.

Shortly there after, I got some really odd Apple iTunes one dollar charges on my statement. I don't use an Apple anything nor do I use iTunes. Seems someone was trying to test the card numbers and finally got a live one - mine. Even more odd was when I went to use an ATM machine to get some cash, the note it spit out (no money came out??) saying "Account is temporarily locked. Please see the bank manager inside the bank." She showed me the Apl*ITunes (<- spelling is how the bank found it) items being charged, or being attempted.

Next statement showed some international banking charges of $0.99 and a few $29.95 fees for something billed through some odd places like billyou.com or 24hourbilling.com and so on. The Apl*ITunes tester began using my ATM to buy porn from overseas and that's why I was incurring a international banking transaction fee too. Following month, a few more were added as a monthly charge up to about $180/mo. for international porn sites. Glad someone was enjoying my card.

Bank cut up my ATM card and said not to ever use it for online transactions. I didn't want a VISA statement or bill, so I used the ATM card instead. Opps! They issued me a new ATM card and the guy(s) still kept trying to use my old one. Bank finally credited my account since they were persistent and still using the same billing online porn billing companies which the bank had challenged and stopped the old card numbers.

Even more weird was the online paypal company that I had bought stuff from earlier on sent me a letter in the mail saying their server had been compromised and I was to inform the bank if I saw any odd transactions (which I did). They claimed the breach, probably overseas, had swiped a few thousand online card names and numbers off their server. Supposedly, they were also upgrading their sever to something more secure.

Dealing with the bank's fraud dept, I was also told not to type all 23 numbers usually required off a card in sequence, but to type a row, move back up and type some letters like in the address, followed by some more card numbers (i.e. jump around on the order page). A trojan keylogger will spot the 23 number sequence off a credit or ATM card, record it, record your ISP number to track your name, and then send it to the crook who did the trojan so he can tap directly into your your bank account by testing your numbers through something like iTunes for a small amount you may never notice. Since the ATM is direct to your account, they can clean you out quickly whereas a VISA requires "you" to make a payment from your account so they cannot get directly into your monies like with an ATM card number. Lesson learned, albeit the hard way. Not too crazy about online banking either.

It's getting ugly out there folks.


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American Express... best customer service in regards to fraud protection that I've experienced.

NEVER NEVER NEVER use an ATM card for anything other than ATM withdraw from a secure ATM location or in person, since it IS connected directly to your money.

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American Express... best customer service in regards to fraud protection that I've experienced.

NEVER NEVER NEVER use an ATM card for anything other than ATM withdraw from a secure ATM location or in person, since it IS connected directly to your money.

I gave up all my debit and ATM cards. I only use credit cards and i check my activity at least once a week. So far no problem except my wife's charges...

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American Express... best customer service in regards to fraud protection that I've experienced.

NEVER NEVER NEVER use an ATM card for anything other than ATM withdraw from a secure ATM location or in person, since it IS connected directly to your money.
Agree +100%

I ALWAYS use a credit card (not a debit card) because then I'm using the BANKS money not mine. in Oz we're pretty lucky if you don't break the rules and compromise accounts (copying PINS, giving them to others etc) then all liability is on the bank not you. Still much easier to manage if any fraud hasn't come directly from your salary or savings account.
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I have a credit card that is only used for online purchases and has a low balance. Credit card companies have sophisticated processes to detect fraud early. My wife bought two sets of baby shower gifts and wanted separate receipts so she had them done one after the other. The second transaction was blocked and she had to call Visa for them to allow it.

A debit card/atm card only stops when the account runs dry.

We put everything on the credit card and pay off the balance every month. More reward points and very little risk.

The banks love people using Debit cards because the fees to merchants are higher.

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