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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old May 6th, 2007, 12:21 am Thread Starter
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Just received an email from a contact LEO in the USA. It was supposedly initiated by an Australian LEO and gave most unfavourable statistics relating to compulsory buy back of firearms by the Australian Government. The bottom line was that firearm deaths were much increased and the offenders were criminals with unlicensed weapons. So the message was from Australia to America, do not go the way of us.. Support your right to keep an arsenal, and forward this email on. Now I do not mind bullshit. Have won awards for it, but I was interested enough to do some research. The paragraph below is from Federal Statistics. I like guns, wish I could own one. But thats the way the cookie crumbles.




According to the Homicide in Australia: 2001-2002 National Homicide Monitoring Program (NHMP) Annual Report, despite an overall increase in homicide victimisation in 2001-02, there was a decrease in the number of recorded homicides where the type of weapon used was a firearm. Between 1 July 1989 and 30 June 2002 there has been a gradual decline in the use of firearms to commit homicide. Firearms were used in 26 per cent of homicides in Australia in 1989-90, compared to 14 per cent in 2001-02. This represents a 25 per cent decrease, and is the lowest proportion of homicides committed with a firearm since the inception of the NHMP in 1990. The most common type of firearms used to commit homicide in 2001-02 were handguns (56 per cent) and in most cases the firearm used in the homicide was not registered or licensed to either the victim or the offender.

Total homicides and firearm homicides, 1989-90 to 2001-02
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LEOS for some reason have a problem with the general law abiding citizen owning handguns and concealed carry. I guess they feel they should be the only ones allowed to. In my stated of oregon crime is at an all time low except for illegal alien generated crime. Concealed carry has been around since 1996
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Saw a report on that recently. Sure glad it works. Different strokes for different folks. Had my son using firearms from when he was little. When he got older and became legal he gave them up cos he thought his companions were nuts.
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At the risk of commenting on this thread when such a high percentage of the forum's members have a poor opinion of law enforcement, you should not be confusing the public statements of senior ranking LEO's under political pressure with the opinions of the average street cop.

I'm a LEO, and I'm also an NRA life member. I'm pro-gun, pro-second amendment as originally written, and I have lots of friends who feel the same way. I fear we will lose the fight in the end, however, and the right to keep and bear arms will be lost to the anti-gun fanatics.
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At the risk of commenting on this thread when such a high percentage of the forum's members have a poor opinion of law enforcement, you should not be confusing the public statements of senior ranking LEO's under political pressure with the opinions of the average street cop.

I'm a LEO, and I'm also an NRA life member. I'm pro-gun, pro-second amendment as originally written, and I have lots of friends who feel the same way. I fear we will lose the fight in the end, however, and the right to keep and bear arms will be lost to the anti-gun fanatics.
By then we will probably fall under Socialist rule. I fear we are going to become more like Europe with cameras everywhere, watching and fining for every motorist's action and behavior.

Fwiw, I did find it interesting that during the 4-6 years Montana did away with the speed limit and resort to a "Prudent Speed Limit," that highway deaths actually went down. People paid attention to driving was one reason, much as on the German Autobaun. Another was the lack of tailgating and lane weavers. People actually began driving again. Not good enough for the revenuers though...
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At the risk of commenting on this thread when such a high percentage of the forum's members have a poor opinion of law enforcement, you should not be confusing the public statements of senior ranking LEO's under political pressure with the opinions of the average street cop.

I'm a LEO, and I'm also an NRA life member. I'm pro-gun, pro-second amendment as originally written, and I have lots of friends who feel the same way. I fear we will lose the fight in the end, however, and the right to keep and bear arms will be lost to the anti-gun fanatics.
I think you hit the nail on the head . I am personally tired of political correctness. Barbara boxer use to be one of my favorites . It was legal for her to have a permit to carry that chrome 357 but not anyone else for quite some time till they changed the carry laws in calif. The only restriction that still exist , folks from out of state passing thru still cannot obtain a permit as you can in almost every other state. Wouldn't the world be so much better If people could do their jobs without having to deal with managements agenda's?


I personally do not have a poor opinion of LEOS I just seem (on the road) to run into the ones that don't seem to like me for some reason. I have only had one encounter which I received a ticket ,the leo offered to tear it up if I went to one of the safety classes he taught at . Of course I took him up on the offer.
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The bottom line was that firearm deaths were much increased and the offenders were criminals with unlicensed weapons.
Haven't you ever heard anyone say that gun laws only serve to disarm law-abiding citizens?

This has been said over and over throughout the years, yet there are people that stubbornly keep on pushing for more and more restrictive gun laws, or even outright bans.

Side note: I noticed the avatar picture and I remember a time when I was cruising around in the Sierra foothills and got a little tired, so I parked the bike on the centerstand and I tried to lie down across it like that to catch forty winks. Well, I never found a comfortable position, so I got going again and managed to discover a rural schoolhouse with a small patch of grass where I could take a nap. Now, whenever I head out that way, I bring with me two pieces of rope and a hammock just in case I need to have a little rest...

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I fear the day they come to take the guns. The only people I know that will give some up willingly, know that the LEO's do not know how many they really own.

I do not think they can ever really disarm America.
The main reason I want one is because I fear one day I will not be allowed to go get one if I want it.


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Here's some food for thought: There was a time not long ago when the lawmakers decided it was too tough to fight the NRA, but as an end-run around the second amendment, they figured out they could legislate ammo itself. That one scared me to death, and I think that one came close. There was some ammo on the market a few years ago... can't remember exactly, but I'm going to guess "Black Talon" which the lawmakers thought was just horrible, so they introduced a bill to add a 1,000% tax onto every purchase... To avoid that, the manufacturer just took it off the public market and repackaged it for sale to "law enforcement only".

The bottom line? My advice is to stockpile ammo. Buy a couple of boxes a month, and when you go out shooting, rotate your stock and buy new to replentish.
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Chuck, I agree with you. I think it is also important to talk about safety.

I have a 357 Colt Python, a 45 Glock and Smith & Wesson. Keep plenty of ammo and guns in Fireproof steel safe that I use as an end table. I hope to add to my modest collection after I move from my apartment into my new home.

Safety begins with the gun owner. I put these items in a protected area so that if there should be a fire in my apartment or future home that I do not put any others in danger.

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