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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old Sep 8th, 2006, 11:00 am Thread Starter
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Luxery Liner on the Dragon...

Howdy Gang,

While Nancy and I were out at CCR, we made a run up to Deal's Gap, commonly referred to as, "The Tail of the Dragon"

There is an outfit that stakes out a spot in the road and takes photos as motorcycles (and cars, but who cares about them ) pass by each direction.

Here's a link to the Killboy "Dragon" images. When the page opens just click play (actually, play, pause, then play...again). We got lucky and the passes in each direction are strung together (no "touring bikes" came along between our passes). The images start with us way out and our images stop on #173

Pretty cool for our "heavy weight" scooter, huh?

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post #2 of 18 (permalink) Old Sep 8th, 2006, 1:19 pm
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Were you scraping pegs? or bags??

I'm impressed!!

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Nice BillyO,
You look pretty comfortable on that big bike.

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Were you scraping pegs? or bags??

I'm impressed!!
Thanks Chris,

Very light scraping of the pegs and the center stand....more like "curb feelers".

In a pinch, I can get the beast over another couple degrees and then I have too start "hanging off" it to get anymore pace. In short, it's no K-R.

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Nice BillyO,
You look pretty comfortable on that big bike.
Thanks Jeff,

Comfortable? Well, yes, I suppose I am. That and having a pillion partner that loves the way I ride makes it a sweet time indeed.

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Way to go Omaha!!! The missus looks comfy too! I'll be up for a Luxo Barge in a few years when the kids are old enough to look after themselves :p
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Billy,

First off - nice pics - Killboy does some good work.

Secondly, not trying to be a nag or anything, but (there's always a but) I noticed on a few of the pics you were either on or over the double yellow. I won't get into all the "naughty-naughty's" and such - you know that's way too far over.....

Someone once gave me a piece of advice regarding riding near the double yellow - he suggested riding as close as possible to the white line. It seems to be a mental issue that staying away from the edge or not utilizing the bulk of the lane you're in.....

Ride safe!

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..... I noticed on a few of the pics you were either on or over the double yellow. I won't get into all the "naughty-naughty's" and such - you know that's way too far over.....

Someone once gave me a piece of advice regarding riding near the double yellow - he suggested riding as close as possible to the white line. It seems to be a mental issue that staying away from the edge or not utilizing the bulk of the lane you're in.......
Howdy alow,

I'm not sure what you're referring to? My tires never cross the line.... mind you, I really don't care if they did. I am not averse to crossing the double yellow if I think it is safe to do so. Also, you're drawing a lot of conclusion about my riding based on very, VERY, little information.

I assume you're referring to my body and that of the bike on the "other side" of the dividing line.

While I appreciate the sentiment you've express, that being for my safety and the safety of others, I disagree with your position in regard to lane position while riding in general and specifically the ride shown in the series of pictures.

Trust me when I tell you, I use the lane, any and every part of the lane that will increases my margin of safety......period.

IMO, lane position is a function of safety first, then pace. If a rider, me in this case, can see several turns ahead and there is no oncoming traffic, then a lean such that our body, not the tires of the bike, were over the lines is of no consequence to safety. Safety being satisfied, then the line taken is to achieve the desired pace.

In response to the suggestion of "riding as close as possible to the white line" I assume the white line is the right side of lane. If so, then I would take exception to that policy.

If I choose to, and I do for practice at times when group riding, I am very able to stay on the white line while at, or well over, the speed limit. However, I do not consider that position in the lane to be generally safer than other positions. In fact, I would argue that it frequently can be less safe. Here in California, and most wooded places in this country, deer can appear quickly. Also cars entering the road from the right side can also pose a hazard that is increased by being on the far right of the lane.

In short, a static lane position is not recommended by me, nor was it recommended in my MSF and ERC sessions.

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Double Yellow Riding Examples:
Photo 165 (leaning over the double yellow into the oncoming lane)
Photo 170 (riding on the double yellow)

Any safety instructor will tell you it's dangerous to ride on the "paint". It's slippery, etc. I didn't mean to offend you or rile you up. I was just pointing out that (especially on the Dragon) it's not advisable to ride on the double yellow. If you'r bike is next to or on the double yellow and you lean - the top part of you and the bike are in the other lane.

I agree that if you can see that far ahead through the turns it's not so much a big deal - but when your rear tire is on the paint - the surface type change can be very hazardous.

Also, let me clarify my white line comment. The rider was referring to making a run through the Dragon following the white line and not the double yellow. Lot of riders tend to see the double yellow as a inner line on a turn. Hence you see a lot of what is exemplified in the pictures above (regardless of line of sight). Following the white line (as a drill, not as a general practice - sorry I didn't clarify that), allows you to mentally picture the road as something more than the space next to the double yellow......

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Double Yellow Riding Examples:
Photo 165 (leaning over the double yellow into the oncoming lane)
Photo 170 (riding on the double yellow)

Any safety instructor will tell you it's dangerous to ride on the "paint". It's slippery, etc. I didn't mean to offend you or rile you up. I was just pointing out that (especially on the Dragon) it's not advisable to ride on the double yellow. If you'r bike is next to or on the double yellow and you lean - the top part of you and the bike are in the other lane.

I agree that if you can see that far ahead through the turns it's not so much a big deal - but when your rear tire is on the paint - the surface type change can be very hazardous.

Also, let me clarify my white line comment. The rider was referring to making a run through the Dragon following the white line and not the double yellow. Lot of riders tend to see the double yellow as a inner line on a turn. Hence you see a lot of what is exemplified in the pictures above (regardless of line of sight). Following the white line (as a drill, not as a general practice - sorry I didn't clarify that), allows you to mentally picture the road as something more than the space next to the double yellow......

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alow,

If a line was crossed, it is clear who crossed it. I'm not sure what your point was, or is? It appears that I violated an "alow's law" of riding regarding, lane position.... double yellows.....paint adhesion.....proper technique on The Dragon, or something else that isn't clear to me and, I suspect, others that may be following along.

Let me be clear, I don't care if I was actually on the OTHER side of the line.... which I have done and will do in the future IF IT IS SAFE TO DO, because my objective is to be safe at speed and NOT necessarily to conform to rules, especially one's that you are coming up with without actually being there.

The fact of the matter is that in frame 170, my rear tire is at the outside edge of the paint....which is exactly where I wanted it. That point was my apex, I nailed it and the camera man caught it.

In reference to the pictures in the link, you have said twice now that it was "dangerous", a judgement by you of my riding, and I am saying again that you do not know what you're talk about.... not because you're stupid, or inexperienced, but because you know absolutely nothing about me, my experience, my skill, my viewing angle of the corners, my tire adhesion... etc., etc., etc..

I am always happy to discuss technique, safety concerns and a whole host of other topics. But please don't start a discussion with me about my riding by flinging a judgemental adjective at it. It doesn't "rile me up", however it does reduce my desire to engage someone in a serious discussion, which is far worse.

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