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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old Oct 19th, 2005, 12:13 pm Thread Starter
 
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Oil Analysis - Return of the Sinth

Well last night, at 6190 miles, I treated my S to 4 quarts of the new and approved BMW Super Synthetic 15W-50 just in time for a 400 mile a month corrosive winter. I bottled up a sample of the 2800 mile dino and sent it in and I should have my second oil analysis back from Blackstone by Friday evening. I'll post the results as soon as I get them but for those of you who missed it, here was the first report. See thread and attachment.

http://www.k-bikes.com/ubbthreads/sh...w=&sb=&o=&vc=1

I figure sometime around February I'll send in my first sample of the synthetic and am anxious to see what differences there are, particularly in the TBN (total base number).
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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old Oct 19th, 2005, 8:51 pm
 
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Feel?

Cat, how does the bike actually feel with the synth in it? I recall that with my first intermediate oil/filter change at 3,600 miles that the bike instantly felt smoother in both power delivery and shifting, as well as just the general feel and sound of the engine.

Did the change to synthetic make the bike feel better than even a regular swap of mineral oil?
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Sorry I'm getting in late on this discussion. What are you trying to accomplish with this oil analysis? Anyway, it's very interesting. Thanks for posting it.

Was the oil changed at 600 miles? If so, I would be a little concerned about the high Al and Fe after that. Most wear in should occur in the first 10 to 100 miles. If this test comes back with similar levels then you'll know whatever was wearing has stopped. I'd also wonder about the low viscosity. I probably would have changed the oil when I got this report back. What brand of oil is it?

Note that the TBN is only the ability of the oil to absorb acidic combustion products. This testing doesn't address the levels of additives such as ZDDP which are important and deplete with mechanical action.

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post #4 of 21 (permalink) Old Oct 20th, 2005, 7:12 am Thread Starter
 
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The bike feels no different than it did with dino. So either it's a psychological phenomenon (sort of like your car feels like it runs better after you wash it) or I'm just not that sensitive.

Jerry,
What I'm trying to accomplish is:
1) Having an awesome detail of maintenance come selling time.
2) Having pre-warning if there's fuel leaks, antifreeze leaks, water leaks, etc.
3) Having pre-warning if a bearing is deteriorating.
4) Having pre-warning etc etc. It's basically a pre-warning system and the metal that is high will clue you in as to what is about to break.
5) After several analyses, the Lab will trend and tell me how many miles I should be able to go next time before the change.

Oil used was BMW 10W-50. Yes I changed it at 600 but I never sent that sample in. Although most "ring seating" might occur in the first 100 miles, Iron and Aluminum wear occur far longer than that. It took almost 10,000 miles for my car numbers to settle down. According to Blackstone, this is normal wear so far, but we shall see!
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Jerry,
What I'm trying to accomplish is:
1) Having an awesome detail of maintenance come selling time.
2) Having pre-warning if there's fuel leaks, antifreeze leaks, water leaks, etc.
3) Having pre-warning if a bearing is deteriorating.
4) Having pre-warning etc etc. It's basically a pre-warning system and the metal that is high will clue you in as to what is about to break.
5) After several analyses, the Lab will trend and tell me how many miles I should be able to go next time before the change.

Excellent plan. These are exactly the type of things that oil analyisis is great at. We use it at my industrial facility to monitor the health of the equipment, not the health of the oil (other than it will tell you if you have contamination in the oil.). Some folks think it is for figuring out oil change intervals. I've never seen an oil test that would tell you that. Thanks again for sharing your results.

Also I'm glad to hear the higher iron and AL is normal.

--Jerry
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Anyone know where in Canada this can be done? I just bought a K-s yesterday and would like to track all this right from the beginning. Thanks. Dave
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Here you go Dave. It's very painless and convenient. Mom and Pop organization, been around a long time, great customer service. The more of us that use this, the better baseline will be established. Funny thing, they commented that this bike is more like the F650 due to the Aluminum and Iron ratio and the wet clutch configuration.

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/
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I've used these guys "Blackstone-Labs" to perform oil analysis on my Cessna. They are well known in the Aviation industry. Good reputation and good data.

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Make sure you let us know . . . some of the guys on the LT forum very high on oil analysis; Am I mistaken, haven't looked at the manual on this, but (I think I am thinking of my buddy's HD) the tranny and the engine can use the same synthetic!

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In the world of motorhomes and BIG DIESEL engines there are slow filtration devices that actually use a roll of paper towels as an oil filter, in addition to high-volume filtration. With these paper towel filters and synthetics, and of course OIL ANALYSIS PERIODICALLY, they are achieving 200,000+ miles oil changes. I guess much like a urinalysis and/or blood work, much can indeed be told by analysis.

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