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Question Brake Question--Fully & Partial integrated brakes

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What years and what bikes had the partial brakes and what years and what bikes had the fully integrated brakes?
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The K1200RS had standard ABS from 98-2001. The 2002+ models changed to the integrated ABS...
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Question K1200 Brake question partial & full integration?

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The K1200RS had standard ABS from 98-2001. The 2002+ models changed to the integrated ABS...
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2002+ Which models had the partial integrated brakes and which had the full integrated? I believe that 2002+ K1200RS have the partial and 2002+ K1200GT have the full! Are there any years where this is not true?

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2002+ Which models had the partial integrated brakes and which had the full integrated? I believe that 2002+ K1200RS have the partial and 2002+ K1200GT have the full! Are there any years where this is not true?
I'm not Jerry (nor do I play him on TV), but the K1200GT is a K1200RS with add-on goodies in a package deal. Same basic bike.
The K1200RS and K1200GT have had partial-integrated brakes from 2002 up to the end of production. None came with full integration. The K1200LT had full-integration. R bikes were a combination, but I don't recall which had what. I think R-RT's and R-RS's had full, R-S had partial



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Razel, Full or partial integrated. ??

I have had a 2002 K1200RS and now have a 2004 K1200RS.
On both bikes when I use the front brake lever both front wheel calipers and the one rear wheel caliper are activated.
Is that not fully integrated?

When the foot brake is applied only the rear brake works. Non integrated.

Is that what you mean by partial-integration?
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Razel, Full or partial integrated. ??

I have had a 2002 K1200RS and now have a 2004 K1200RS.
On both bikes when I use the front brake lever both front wheel calipers and the one rear wheel caliper are activated.
Is that not fully integrated?

When the foot brake is applied only the rear brake works. Non integrated.

Is that what you mean by partial-integration?
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I'm not Razel, nor do I play him on TV, but I have shared a beer or three with him. He means PARTIAL integrated. It's partially integrated because only the front brake lever applies both sets of brakes. Fully integrated would mean that using the rear brake foot pedal would also apply the front brakes as well as the rear brake. This is not the case on the 02 through 04 K1200RS / GT. The rear foot pedal only applies the rear brakes, with no affect on front brakes. Rear only braking typically used for downhill corners, trail-braking, or if a mid-corner correction is necessary (usually accompanied by an upholstery enema).

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The K1200RS and K1200GT have had partial-integrated brakes from 2002 up to the end of production. None came with full integration. The K1200LT had full-integration. R bikes were a combination, but I don't recall which had what. I think R-RT's and R-RS's had full, R-S had partial
Pretty sure the '02 and up the R11xxRT had fully integrated brakes, the R11xxRS had partial--same as our RS/GT. Dunno about the R11xxS models.

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Pretty sure the '02 and up the R11xxRT had fully integrated brakes, the R11xxRS had partial--same as our RS/GT. Dunno about the R11xxS models.

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Could very well be. I had a riding buddy (but he got married and as you know, things change...) who had a '03 R1150RS. Younger guy, always right, swore that the rear pedal operated both brakes. One time I rode it, I rode it like the GT...just used the front lever. So, I took him at his word. Personally, though, I like the "partial" version.



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This is not the case on the 02 through 04 K1200RS / GT. The rear foot pedal only applies the rear brakes, with no affect on front brakes. Rear only braking typically used for downhill corners, trail-braking, or if a mid-corner correction is necessary (usually accompanied by an upholstery enema).
Does partial integration allow the rear brake pedal to remain useful and effective even when the ABS pump is active? I've read some scary reports of "no brakes" when braking on washboard roads when the ABS activates. Does the rear brake still work in this situation?

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Does partial integration allow the rear brake pedal to remain useful and effective even when the ABS pump is active? I've read some scary reports of "no brakes" when braking on washboard roads when the ABS activates. Does the rear brake still work in this situation?
Uh, kind of tough to answer in one word, like yes or no.

The rear pedal operates the rear brake. Front lever operates both. The one with the most pressure is the one that controls the rear brake. So, you can apply a little pressure with the lever, and mucho pressure on the pedal and get lots of rear brake. Or, be applying lots of lever pressure, little pedal pressure, and when you let off, the bike is still under braking, just not as much.

The problem with washboard roads is that the wheels are being loaded and unloaded by the washboard effect of the pavement, allowing the wheels to lock when above the "valley" of the washboard (little traction) and the abs releaseing just as you hit the "peak" of the washboard. Get the right rythmn, and it's pucker time. The ABS brain, I believe, is using the rotation of both tires to determine if ABS is needed. One is rotating, the other is not, so the one that's not has the ABS cycle applied.

That's why I hate going down dirt roads, too. The wheels lock, release, lock, etc. but you can never stop because while one is stopped, the other is rotating causing the opposite wheel to "release" it's brakes with ABS. Went down a (lightly) rutted dirt road once ("Oh, there's a dirt road, but it's well graded"...NOT!) and I don't want to do it again.



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