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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old Nov 17th, 2005, 6:28 pm Thread Starter
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Red face The Demise of the K-Sport Tourer..

The Demise of the K-Sport Tourer..

It's official. The BMW site now lists the F800ST and the R1200ST as the only Sport Tourers.

The K1200S is listed as a Sport and the new K1200GT as a Tourer along with the R1200RT and the K1200LT.

This loss is particularly disheartening for those who have enjoyed the K1200RS.

I've taken my RS on two week 8,000 mile trips that include super slab, tight twisties, and everything in between. Rock steady on the super slab and a dancer on the twisties when down on the tank.

It's the getting down on the tank with the incredible increase in agility part that will be missed in a bike that was otherwise a gentleman's tourer.

Not that the K1200S isn't a bad option, but being able to pop the screen up in a downpour or cool autumn evening was a nice feature.

I've ridden in ice storms on the RS with the high windscreen and electrics. Face shield frozen shut, radiators frozen over, and the wind screen frozen in the high position.

For fast ridding, I've worn two piece racing leathers. The wind got around the screen and fairing enough to send a breeze up the unzipped sleaves and also into the partially unzipped jacket. Ridding in the lower 90s was no problem and if it got hotter than that, closing the leathers off and putting the short screen up was enough to protect from the desert furnace between water stops.

The bike had a style that attracted women and young kids. Once, at an EasyRiders rodeo, a harley rider said it was the best looking bike he'd ever seen. That was saying a lot as there were some Indian Larry bikes on display. On one trip, an older women walked all the way across the parking lot to tell me how she liked the bike and ask how fast it went.

My wife has never liked bikes that you couldn't see through. Yet, after a fall trip on a rented HD Road King, she said the RS was much more comfortable to sit on and much smoother.

Well, my second RS, an 02, has just over 40,000 on it and 2 years left on the extended warranty. Right now it's a keeper. Not sure where I'll end up after the RS. It's a tough act to follow.
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post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old Nov 17th, 2005, 6:56 pm
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Aw come on, man! You're gonna perform a wake and declare the category of a BMW Sport Tourer dead just because some marketing geek put it into the wrong category on BMW's website?!?!

Hell, the new K1200GT is 30 lbs lighter than the current GT and has 152 bhp and 130 nm (that's almost 97 ft lbs) torque on platform that makes the flying brick platform look downright anemic in comparison as demonstrated already in both the K1200S and K1200R. That's 22 more hp and 13 nm more torque than the current RS/GT.

Think about this. Yamaha categorizes the FJR-1300 as a "Super Sport Touring" class machine. The new K1200GT has 9 more hp and 4 nm less torque and weighs 30 pounds more than the FJR. Price comparisons notwithstanding, the new K1200GT should be categorized as a "Super Sport Touring" just as the FJR.

Think about it this way -- we should all order this marketing geek a beer, because he's probably going to save us a SHITLOAD on insurance payments by classifying this as just a "Tourer".

PS: Larry - I hope you took this in stride as my tongue was firmly planted in cheek.

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post #3 of 23 (permalink) Old Nov 17th, 2005, 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Larry
This loss is particularly disheartening for those who have enjoyed the K1200RS.
Why? You've maybe got the best bike ever built. I fail to understand people who absolutely can not enjoy what they have, especially right after the next toy comes out and the marketing crap starts flying.
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post #4 of 23 (permalink) Old Nov 17th, 2005, 7:13 pm
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I haven't lost anything, my GT is still in the garage.
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I agree exRTguy, I haven't lost anything either,my GT is still in the garage also.Sport touring is what I love and if I had to trade the GT it would be for the R1200ST. This is a true sport touring motorcycle.

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To me, classifications are just words. In New Zealand two weeks ago came across these six riders almost 1000km from their homes. They were on one of their regular sport tours of the country. All of them on dedicated sport bikes. I'm the one who parked the rented VFR in the middle of the road . Zero traffic. BTW, the rider smiling in the middle invited me to spend the night at his place the following evening.

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post #7 of 23 (permalink) Old Nov 18th, 2005, 12:35 am
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Don't think of it as a demise, think of it as an opportunity for a new K1200RS...

Think of it... there is now definately a gap in the Beem lineup that a suitably designed RS would fit nicely into....

The R1200 range has the R, S, ST, RT
The K1200 range has the R, S, ?? , GT
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post #8 of 23 (permalink) Old Nov 18th, 2005, 2:01 am
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IMHO the K1200S is a Sport tourer with the emphasis on sport. It's not a sports bike like a GSXR 1000 or a Blade or a ZX10R.

A friend has an RS and I think it's a great bike and probably pretty evenly balanced between the sport and touring aspects.

A good one could be a keeper. If I had a few bob going spare I could think of worst places to invest it, than in a good late model RS.
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post #9 of 23 (permalink) Old Nov 18th, 2005, 5:54 am
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If you mean BMW has made a mistake taking the current K models out of production - that remains to be seen. I personally don't like the K12S as it's too small and cramped for touring. The new K12R is about the same and offers no protection from the wind. I'm sure people like the power of the new engine, but just how well that engine will preform over time is unknown. As far as a bike that trys to be "One that meets the needs of all" - the K12RS/GT rates high on the list. Is it perfect in every area ? probably not - but if you only owned one motorcycle I'd say this would be the one. So what's left for touring - it's either the R1200 RT or the KLT. I like less weight so if I was in the market for a new touring bike the RT would be my choice. Luckily I have my RS so I see no need to do anything but enjoy what I have. Ride fast and enjoy!!
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post #10 of 23 (permalink) Old Nov 18th, 2005, 10:58 am
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Thumbs up Still got plenty miles on it

My RS is still good for a couple hundred thousand miles. I love the engine and drivetrain configuration, that was one of the things that attracted me to it in the first place. This puppy does everything I want it to so I'm a keepin' it. I put over 100,000 miles on my k100 before I got this thing as a steal.
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