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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old May 12th, 2008, 10:33 am Thread Starter
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Question K1200 GT - dilemma

About 4 months ago I tried the new Kawasaki 1400 GTR which, coming from a (classic) K1200GT (which really doesnít handle well or easily), was a revelation. I fell in love and felt that this was my next bike. However, I wasnít banking on the impact of the new K1200 GT. (or even the brand new S that I rode immediately beforehand and covered some 180 miles!). The K1200 GT was brilliant and ticked all my boxes; even if it didnít quite deliver the adrenalin rush of the K1200 S!
Hereís the problem; the Kawasaki is a darned good bike but I know that, over the next 12 months, Iíll need to spend some £1,000 ($2,000) in replacing bits e.g. screen, heated grips, top box; new exhaust; PCIII. The GT doesnít need any of this. The GT also has ESA (and optional ASC) + heated grips and heated seats, which Kawasaki donít offer these as an option.
So, in a sense itís a no-brainer; except for the fact that the Kawasaki is priced at £10,250 ($20,500) whereas the fully loaded GT SE is a cool £13,900 i.e a shade off $28,000. Thatís pretty serious money.
So, whilst I appreciate that all you guys are likely to be somewhat pro the GT, you may well have had this same dilemma; if so, Iíd like to hear from you. Thanks
John

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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old May 12th, 2008, 11:51 am
 
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My suggestion would be to buy a used GT from someone who has added upgrades and put less than 3 thousand miles on. You will save some serious money and get a GT at the price of the other bike.
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My suggestion would be to buy a used GT from someone who has added upgrades and put less than 3 thousand miles on. You will save some serious money and get a GT at the price of the other bike.
This is naturally an excellent suggestion. However; when I last rode a GT; it was a 2006 model. I recall that the brakes were rubbish and the gear box was the (same old) KERLUNK. When I rode the new 08 model last week; the brakes were excellent and the gearbox as sweet as a nut.

If you're telling me that an 07 bike has that sweet gearbox and great brakes, THEN I am (potentially) a happy camper.

Let me know; thanks

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post #4 of 15 (permalink) Old May 12th, 2008, 12:10 pm
 
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There is a big difference between the 06 and 07 but I would look for an 08. There are always people who buy a GT and then sell it in a couple three months cause they cannot afford it or it just too much bike. In the states, you save about $3,000 and get the upgrades for free. Not sure what the difference is between the 07 and 08.
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Hi,

The thing to remember is that in the UK dealers seem to think we are stupid, a new bike that costs £13900 includes sales tax (VAT) at 17.5%, so when you see a K12GT advertised by by dealer at £11,995 it seems a bargin, but the catch is no VAT is charged on second hand bikes, so add 17.5% to the 11,995 and you have a bike that costs about £14.094, I know it dosn't cost that much, but the dealer must be selling it above the list price (excluding VAT)

Just my Monday rant!!

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Hi,

The thing to remember is that in the UK dealers seem to think we are stupid, a new bike that costs £13900 includes sales tax (VAT) at 17.5%, so when you see a K12GT advertised by by dealer at £11,995 it seems a bargin, but the catch is no VAT is charged on second hand bikes, so add 17.5% to the 11,995 and you have a bike that costs about £14.094, I know it dosn't cost that much, but the dealer must be selling it above the list price (excluding VAT)

Just my Monday rant!!

Cheers

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Hi Dwain; The price of the bike (fully loaded; i.e. SE plus TPS / ASC and alarm) is £11,307.45 + VAT of £1,978.80 (whew that's alot!) = £13,286. However the dealer then adds a further £550 in "Other items" (delivery; road tax and "dealer charges") which, + VAT is now an additional £79 = £627; a total of £13,913.50 !!

They will have their 08 demonstrator for sale at the end of June but they still want a heft £12,600 for a used Se without some of the farkles (ASC/TPS and alarm). So a new bike makes more sense, does it not ?

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The '07 bikes have the newer brakes, but I think the gearbox changes are in '08. The seats were changed in mid-'07 as well. Also, there have been upgrades to the clutch, airbox, and of course software. A good dealer will make sure that you're up to date no matter what year you get.

Only you can justify the cash difference within your own budget. I looked at everything, ordered the exact bike and option package I wanted, and haven't looked back in 13 months and 42K miles.

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john....my .02. if your intend to keep the bike...go new...should have some '07s around that the dealers are getting anxious to move. Sounds like you have tried the Kawasaki, the 's' and the 'k' and you already have made your choice. Problem with the purchase of the Kawasaki is that if you have been looking at BMW's, you will continue to look even after the purchase.
the kawi is a nice bike, but its no 'k'...
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Come to good ole US of A and buy a new one.

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Well personally I feel it's about damn time both our country's had a tax revolt! Over 17% tax, and where does it go? Social programs that take from the producers and give to the lazy non-producers?............. what We need to kick liberalism out of every aspect of society and get on with the freedoms of living. I don't hate liberals because they're fun to play with, but I do despise liberalism. Can you imagine how much more fun and productive we could all be if we were able to keep every wage we earn? Let us decide where we want to send/spend our money to help the needy/non-producers, instead of ripping it from our hands and distributing it how the [B]Government see's fit Think about it. Liberalism is EVIL!
BTW- In your country, how much are replacement parts for a Japanese vehicle? In the USA the Japanese bike have a good selling price, but when it comes to replacement parts the tariffs established years ago put it all pretty equal in the long run. Bottom line with buying a Japanese bike.............save now, pay later. Not to mention a sub-standard resale value. Aahhhhhh that felt good

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