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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old Oct 15th, 2009, 6:32 pm Thread Starter
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Better than a K13

Greetings,
Please do not misunderstand me , to me the gt is the ultimate bike. But I'm just wondering: can better be found ?
I'm not going to try the contour, the fjr or the pan (st) but is there room to make a substantially better sport touring bike? What would that take?
I would not know, do you have any ideas ?
I thought: let's trow the question in the group and see what reaction it spins
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post #2 of 30 (permalink) Old Oct 15th, 2009, 6:57 pm
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Easy. Less weight (always a good thing), fix the fueling properly, and give us a reliable final drive. OK, I know the last two are really fixes for existing problems rather than improvements, but seriously, why are we still putting up with stalling and bearing failures after 5 years?

Other than that, it's a personal preference sort of thing. Better seat, better windscreen, more adjustable ergonomics, and perhaps an iPod input, although all of those can be solved in the aftermarket.

My GT was almost perfect over 20K miles in just about 5 weeks (including my aftermarket ergonomic mods), except I still had some fueling/stumbling issues and I was paranoid enough about a final drive failure that I actually carried a spare drive in my saddlebag. That in itself is just sad.

Otherwise the bike was awesome in all weather and all road conditions. If only I could learn to trust it completely, but my direct experience just won't let me . . .

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"Better" is very subjective. What I think would make it better might send other people off to by a Harley. But I have a couple of ideas -
  • ESA shocks that can be rebuilt at a reasonable cost
  • Same power and power delivery as the K1300S
  • Quick Shifter from the S
  • Color matched topcase from the factory (possibly standard equipment)
Those are what come to mind immediately.

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post #4 of 30 (permalink) Old Oct 15th, 2009, 8:20 pm
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I agree with what Meese and Dave.

A big improvement for future KGT or any bike is that if the bean counters were not trying to cut corners or constantly find ways to save a nickle here a dime there.




I know they claim the bike would cost 35k or some such, not sure I really believe that after the warranty cost on crappy quality and lost sales.

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All the things that have been mentioned so far...yes. Also, go back to the contoured and ergo brake and clutch reservoirs.

However one thing that I have always thought that would be really cool is a more modern instrument panel. I've always thought that something futuristic and digital all around would be great. Something like a color LCD screen like you see in an airplane cockpit. Make it all touch screen and integrate a GPS, radar detector, MP3, etc. Probably just another thing to break down though.

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A quiet, smooth clutch when launching from a stop...

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Greetings,
Please do not misunderstand me , to me the gt is the ultimate bike. But I'm just wondering: can better be found ?
I'm not going to try the contour, the fjr or the pan (st) but is there room to make a substantially better sport touring bike? What would that take?
I would not know, do you have any ideas ?
I thought: let's trow the question in the group and see what reaction it spins
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Why would you not try try other machines?

Anyway..

I briefly owned an '08 K1200GT.
Liked the idea, did not like the execution of the product.

When the Concours 14 was introduced i was very interested to see it. When I read about it I thought that they missed the mark. Even though it wins some comparrison tests in the MC Magazine scene. Complaints about too much engine heat, crappy fuel milage and range, not enough wind protection, not enough options, especially, heated grips and cruise.

Seems that Kawasaki has made some significant efforts to address weaknesses and consumer critisizms in the original design.

Just read about the new 2010 Concours.
The '10 versions has:
a larger stock windscreen
standard heated grips
engine heat management improvements
traction control
ambient temp readout
ability for rider to improve fuel milage by choosing an economy mode for engine management mapping
better storage in fairing
repositioned mirrors
and more...

All for $15,100
Sounds like a winner, all they have to do is add electronic cruise control.

PLUS

I see that Honda has brought a 700cc Sport tourer for the US market 2010.
Shaft drive, removable? hard bags (not sure if they are detachable), adjustable screen, ABS.
If they have the sense to have some gadgets available like heated grips and cruise, could be very attractive.

ALSO

There is no 2010 St1300 on the Honda Website. Maybe a retooled design for mid-year is on the way.

I owned a 1996 Honda PC 800 (Pacific Coast)
Nice running machine. No clunky shifts, no clutch judder, no fueling issues. I know, no character. Needed a few things such as Better Brakes (rear drum), ABS, electric adjustable windscreen, cruise, heated grips. If it had been equiped with those items, I might still be riding it.

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I plan on taking a hard look at the competitor's offerings in the spring. The engine stalling issue and what I consider the complete lack of credible response by BMW has soured me on the brand.

Money isn't the issue. I paid cash for the K1300GT. I like the bike but the intermittent stalling is at least annoying and at worst dangerous.

Add to that, the "local" dealership (an hour's drive away), is closing its doors, so I'm left without reasonable maintenance support. I have two Honda/Suzuki/Yamaha dealerships within 15 minutes of my home and office. I had a deposit on a S1000RR when the dealership folded. I got my money back but was told I would be called by BMW to transfer the position to another dealership. I have even sent emails and left messages. No response from BMW.

I can't imagine how I would stay in business if I treated my customers this way. Sad.
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The new Honda VFR1200 seems aimed at the BMW sports touring bikes. It will be interesting to see what value for money is delivered along with what is bound to be very good performance. The small tank will put many high mileage guys off though.
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I was paranoid enough about a final drive failure that I actually carried a spare drive in my saddlebag. That in itself is just sad.
Did you need it? Did you get the final drive fluid analyzed after your Iron Butt? That would have been great to hear about.
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