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Exclamation 2006 K1200gt slips Cam Chain Again!!!!

Hi guys,

About ten months ago I went out to the garage to start my K12gt that was on the BMW battery tender. It would not turn over. I jumped it with my car. It started and sounded like it was self destructing. Loud banging internal to the engine. I shut it down immediately. The dealer came, towed it 60 miles and fixed it. They found the timing/cam chain had jumped two teeth. They did a leak down test and found compression to be good. After I got the bike back, it ran great! Actually, better than ever before.

Yestserday I went to start the same bike. And guess what? The same loud self destruct noise again. I called the dealer. I am trailering it ten hours back. The bike has 36K , but the work is in warranty for a year from the last fix to the cam chain.

So, I go lurking about and find that BMW has added a new part in the last month that will slides around the lower cam sprocket. Hmmmmm. I wonder why? Must be because we keep jumping the cam chain? The dealer, Hermy's in Pa will once again pull the engine apart and perform yet another leak test. I so hope that this fixes the problem forever.

I also understand that BMW is no longer making this engine. Rather odd, considering the amount of RD that went into this K Bike engine. ???
So whats next?
I have had 1 ABS unit, 1 final drive, 2 different air boxes and a bunch of other warranty repairs. I have purchased an extended warranty.

Should I dump BMW? Should I get a Concourse 14? Should I trade for a 2011 RT1200?
I am asking for some advice. I am 57 yrs old and my wife and I like to take big trips around the US on our bike. I no longer feel this bike can be trusted. What would the readers recommend

Thank you for listening to my rant. I have 2 payments on a five year loan to go!

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First advice, don't take out a 5 year loan on a 3 year bike. DAMHIK
Second: Never let the bike know you only have 2 payments left, it will self destruct.
Three: Just ride it as much as you can and enjoy.
Four: All bikes fail. It is in their nature. Read any forum. Relax.

Oh, forgot, Don't buy first year production of anything.

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Smile Don't buy first year production of anything!

Amen to that. That rules out the K1600gt. Maybe I will stop goose stepping!
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Amen to that. That rules out the K1600gt. Maybe I will stop goose stepping!
x2 on don't buy any 1st year model too.

However, the 1300 isn't much better in that department over the 1200 as both are suspect to getting that guide in them. It's just a bad cam-drive design in both those engines and that they need that extra guide installed for both is a band-aid to that design.

I'd like to find out more details on that cam guide's installation though as to what all it entails to install it and how much $'s too. I've been awfully leery of taking that thing on some trip and shelling out a few thousand in towing, hotels, flights, and shop expenses. It would be nice if BMW offered to recall all those bikes for that follower though. This busted cam issue is beginning to sound as bad as their final drive issues.

The K1600 should be interesting to watch. Maybe they've learned their lesson with the two-bolt cam gear driving the other gear-driven cam thing. They got out of that mess in their S10000RR design.

For the OP: I'd trade out and get the RT. I don't think I'd feel right about selling this bike to an independent party with it's issues for the cash differential. Besides, it's rare to hear the RT (boxer) engine cratering. Biggest issues seem to be their clutches getting oil on them and slipping and the infamous final drive failures - although those failures on them seem to be less frequent now. They've hung with that design a long time to debug that boxer engine over the short 3-year run K44 Beta engines. Much easier to work on than a 4 cylinder too. Wish they'd put a hydraulic lifter setup in it and that would just about make it maintenance free on the engine. Couldn't cost that much more to do it (like cost is an issue with BMW.). I mean, if Harley could do it..... That little addition hydraulic lifter addition on their boxer - or even the 1600 that may not have it yet (?) - could make it profitable for them to offer free annual service for maybe 5 years like their cars.


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Question Thanks for the info

Really appreciate your post. My guess is to unload the K12gt at the dealer and try for a R1200rt. Hopefully I wont lose my shirt. As for that cam design, I thought this was a German company? What the heck are they thinking???
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Perry your repair list is short compared to the one I had but luckily I had no engine failures.
I ended up getting out of my GT after it was written off in an accident. I had it on the market for 6 months and couldnt move it but it is a much smaller market here.
I would love a 1600GT but wont play the role of Beta Tester for BMW any more.
Ive ordered a 2011 RT and will watch the 1600 forums with intense interest over the next two years.
If they get it right, I will trade the RT on one then.

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I agree completely

Ill stick with the new RT. I read the coils are the next thing to go. What the Frick are coils
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Does lemon Law apply?
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I think I would take it with a big grain of salt.

The bike is 5 years old, and so you have had a few things go wrong. My 2010 RT was in the shop three times in 8 months, so there's no guarantee there either. Oil leak, fuel strip failure, bad switch, cam sensor replaced.

Things break, and if BMW is taking care of you and addressing the issue, I would not panic personally.

Lastly, BMW is not discontinuing this engine. It will live on in the 1300S, etc.

Keep the Gt if you like it.
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Are new BMW Motorcycles reliable?

Yamaha RD 350, Yamaha 650 twin, Kawasaki Concourse 10, BMW R1150RT, BMW K1200S, BMW R1200RT, BMW K1200LT , another BMW K1200S: Never a single problem with any of these bikes.

Then the BMW K1200gt arrives: Two final drives, two air boxes, two ABS units, brake sender unit, pitted throttle somethings,Jumped, stretched cam chain, another broken cam chain, bucking, stalling, backfiring, frenzied bike on German steroids. One great dealer, stood by it all Amen, to Hermy's in Port Clinton, PA. God Bless Herm Baver Jr.

May this 2006 Rest In Peace. So long lover girl.....

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