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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old Nov 14th, 2012, 11:22 pm Thread Starter
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Bill Mayer review

New member here, bought a used ('08) K12GT last month, put a thousand miles on it so far. Just back from a Bill Mayers Saddle ride-in visit, thought I'd make my first post...
After a few days riding, I knew this bike needed a better seat to turn it into the asphalt-eater it is. I got lucky and ran into a K12GT owner at Alice's who let me try out his seat, and I then decided to give BMS a try. It was a 750 mile roundtrip from the SF Bay area to the Ojai shop. I left Tuesday, got a hotel room, and arrived at BMS at the pre-arranged 7am Wednesday morning arrival time. The shop had three ride-in customers for the morning session, I was the first to arrive, and was done and out the door by 11:30am. The guys in the shop work on several fittings at a time, and really know their stuff. Don't second guess them, answer what they're asking, and be specific. I had 4-5 fittings and two test rides before we agreed we had the design right. I just had the front seat done in a matching vinyl, and am highly pleased with the outcome. I knocked off the last 4 hours/ 250 miles non-stop on the way home with no issues. I'm an aggresive twisties rider, as well as a long distance tourer, and needed a seat that worked well for both. $450 well spent.
Here's my stats: 6'0", 31" inseam, 175#. I'm a forward, upright sitter. With a long torso, I have to reach for the bars even in the full back/up position, so I ride pretty close to the tank. For my height, the upper seat position worked better, but the lower/forward seat position put me in a preferred location. My problem was when sitting in the upper seat position and sitting on the front of the seat, the front of the seat pan dug into my legs, on top of the usual hot-spots created by the OE seat. So the solution was to built up the seat foam to the high height but but with the pan in the low/forward position, while adding some tractor-seat shaping for support. BMS has several different density foams, we went with the medium/firm for the "saddle", which is then covered by two other layers of thin "magic" foam (my words, not their's). The customer is actively involved from start to finish, and everyone is pleasant to deal with.
Rocky (Bill III) Mayer is familiar with the K12GT, as he has one in his current stable of bikes. It's currently for sale, and he says he'll throw in a custom re-fitting of the BMS seat on it for free ;-)
Two unexpected benefits - the ride harshness in the 'Sport' mode is gone, and the seat heat feels more evenly spread out instead of just burning your two seat-bone contact points.






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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old Nov 15th, 2012, 1:41 am
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The day I picked up my '07 K12GT, I rode to Bill's shop to get the seats done. They measured and fitted my wife that afternoon, then I came back the next morning to get mine done (I live 1/2 hour from him).

There were three GTs there that day, one of each color.



When it was finished, I rode to Sacramento, had the 600-mile service done the next morning, then rode on to Oregon that night.

That seat lasted 138K miles on the '07, 12K on the next GT, and 26K on the next. I did have it rebuilt every 50-60K miles or so, as the foam will eventually start to "settle", but I've done dozens of thousand-mile days on that seat in great comfort.

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So the heaters stilll work in both front and rear seats?
I thought aftermarket seats couldn't 're-use' the BMW heaters for some reason.
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The factory heaters work just fine in the rebuilt seats.

They carefully peel the heater element off the old padding and replace it on top of the new padding.

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At first I was very pleased with my Mayer seat but after about 15,000 miles it feels rock hard and is not very comfortable anymore. I also was not happy with the fit when I first got it since in the low seat height it slid me into the gastank, I had to put it in the high seat location to be able to sit level. Over all it was a poor fit and now being rock hard after 15,000 miles it just is not for me anymore. I assume he would fix it (likely with some cost)but it means taking a day off work and riding down so I have not done it, looking into Airhawk or similar things for the long rides as the seat works fine for my daily ride to work.
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At first I was very pleased with my Mayer seat but after about 15,000 miles it feels rock hard and is not very comfortable anymore. I also was not happy with the fit when I first got it since in the low seat height it slid me into the gastank, I had to put it in the high seat location to be able to sit level. Over all it was a poor fit and now being rock hard after 15,000 miles it just is not for me anymore. I assume he would fix it (likely with some cost)but it means taking a day off work and riding down so I have not done it, looking into Airhawk or similar things for the long rides as the seat works fine for my daily ride to work.
You should have had it altered right away instead of suffering.

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thank god a set of bar risers worked for me..,good for 500 a day or so, i use to not even go 100 and the jewel's were not happy ,the risers @ about 150 installed put me upright enough to be able to bear the stock seat .Im at least good for another year then i'll prolly end up going with a g.s we'll see...

i've spent most my money on bike's boat's and broad's the rest i've wasted..
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At first I was very pleased with my Mayer seat but after about 15,000 miles it feels rock hard and is not very comfortable anymore. I also was not happy with the fit when I first got it since in the low seat height it slid me into the gastank, I had to put it in the high seat location to be able to sit level. Over all it was a poor fit and now being rock hard after 15,000 miles it just is not for me anymore. I assume he would fix it (likely with some cost)but it means taking a day off work and riding down so I have not done it, looking into Airhawk or similar things for the long rides as the seat works fine for my daily ride to work.
I have had good luck with airhawk cushions on bikes that provide an upright riding position but it didn't work on the K1200GT. I ended up going with a Russell Day-long saddle and never regretted it.

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mikes, which bar-rsiers did you go with?
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