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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old Aug 15th, 2013, 10:48 pm Thread Starter
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Hard to get into N

I really appreciate all the comments for this forum and wondered if anyone had ideas about the latest issue.

I am still having issues getting the bike into N. I turned off the motor and then started it in 1st and I actually feel the bike move forward like the clutch is partially engaged. I bled the clutch today and did not get any air.

Fluid is full. I installed a Ram mount on the top of the reservoir and when I loosened the screws some fluid came out so I filled it back as far as I could...bled again...opened the bleed valve about 5 times just to make sure...

Any ideas out there?

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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old Aug 16th, 2013, 8:38 am
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This is a vexing one, Marky Mark. On my 2008 GT I never experienced any problems with the clutch or transmission. Always buttah-smooth. Well, at least as smooth as the German box of rocks can be.

You may think this is a ridiculous question but when have you last changed your oil? I may be mistaken but the bike always seemed to shift easier after an oil change. Especially so after I removed the factory oil and put in some synthetic Amsoil.

In lieu of that, try your bleeding once again. The Ducatis seem to require fresh fluid all the time for clutch and brakes. What I typically do is use the handle end of a screwdriver to gently tap all areas where bubbles might get trapped. Start at the lowest point of the bike and work up (duh). I saw one of the older BMW mechanics do this over at the dealership in Plano once. Thought he had lost his mind until he explained what he was doing.

You are using fresh, high quality fluids - right?
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post #3 of 9 (permalink) Old Aug 16th, 2013, 10:49 am
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Hey, Mark, my '06 does the same thing, but I'm thinking with 71K on the clutch part of my problem could just be time for a new clutch. It doesn't slip or act up other than that odd startup of thing.

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post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old Aug 16th, 2013, 10:50 am Thread Starter
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Yes Davey...pretty fresh oil change...brand new jug of mineral oil...I do have the feeling that there is air...but not sure how it would have gotten in there!!

I could just ride the Ducati right...LOL!
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post #5 of 9 (permalink) Old Aug 16th, 2013, 11:41 am
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Does this happen on startup, when the bike is cold? Or at other times, too.

BMW has specified 5W40 oil for the Slant/4 engine, in part to help with such cold clutch issues.

Or it could be that your outer clutch basket is starting to wear, and the plates are getting stuck in the small grooves that are forming . . .

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post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old Aug 16th, 2013, 7:45 pm
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possibly bent shifter fork

a variation on the theme of transmission jumping out of gear.

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post #7 of 9 (permalink) Old Aug 26th, 2013, 9:22 am
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I had the EXACT same symptoms - hard to find neutral, pulling forward in 1st. Soon after my clutch started to slip. The first signs of slippage will show up in areas where you likely don't often the bike. I found the slip when I was getting on the interstate in a hurry and I was WOT in 5th gear and it slipped around 7k.

I'm willing to bet you need some clutch work. FWIW mine was at 60k miles.
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post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old Aug 27th, 2013, 8:11 pm
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My Internet diagnosis. Clutch

Wet clutches are going to engages somewhat when started in gear. It's the nature of the beast. The slaves are self adjusting and work well. I wouldn't screw with it
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post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old Sep 1st, 2013, 6:12 am
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My friend you have warped clutch plates get them changed and it will feel like a new bike
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