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Brake Failure indicator with Fault 23968

SO I get the red brake indicator failure. At first I though I might have trashed the pad sensor wires when doing my own FD service. They appear fine.

THen I think its telling me I I have an ABS failure. So a little test and sure enough I can lock up the rear brake. I did not try the front.

I get the gs-911 all updated and hooked up, (its been 2 years since Ihave used it) and the fault I see is:

23968: Rear Wheel Speed Sensor : No Signal
The fault is currently present.
I also run all other diagnostics for the GS-911 on the ABS unit and they all seem to work.

The speedometer works fine.

This appeared right after I did a final drive service, at home. IN fact when I put the speed sensor in I had a clip wrong so It raised the sensor and when I spun the rear wheel it hit the snesor hard a few times till I realized what I had done, in fact the sensor looks a touch elongated, hmmmm. (It seems my specialty is breaking things when doing service.)

2 Questions, if the rear sensor was truly broken, why does the speedo work? Has anyone replace the sensor. Its about 100 bucks?

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The speed sensors are quite sensitive to position and gap. Might want to check that first and make sure that it's installed correctly and with the specified gap to the toothed wheel.

The 34 52 7 677 824 speed sensor (same part front and rear) runs $90-$100 new. This part is used on current RT/GS bikes as well as current S/R/GT/GTL bikes, so you should be able to find a used one for a good price. Check Beemer Boneyard, Rubber Side Up, eBay, etc.

The speedo is probably still pulling wheel rotation information from the front sensor. In fact, as a test, you could swap the front and rear sensors and see if the error code changes. Just make sure you get the proper gap set.

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Thanks Ken. I'll give it a whirl. Never thought the front would be running the speedo

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The speed sensors are quite sensitive to position and gap. Might want to
check that first and make sure that it's installed correctly and with the specified gap to the toothed wheel.

The 34 52 7 677 824 speed sensor (same part front and rear) runs $90-$100 new. This part is used on current RT/GS bikes as well as current S/R/GT/GTL bikes, so you should be able to find a used one for a good price. Check Beemer Boneyard, Rubber Side Up, eBay, etc.

The speedo is probably still pulling wheel rotation information from the front sensor. In fact, as a test, you could swap the front and rear sensors and see if the error code changes. Just make sure you get the proper gap set.

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I don't know if the front sensor always runs the speedo, but I do know that on my GTL, when the front wheel speed sensor was out my speedo worked, but cruise didn't. Turns out I'd bent the wheel speed sensor ring during a tire change, which gave an erroneous reading, so the bike killed the cruise and ABS to compensate.

With the computer brains in these modern bikes, it isn't always quite as simple as "fix that wire" or "change that bulb". Sometimes, it takes a bit of digging, and a lot of luck . . .

I did see several sensors available on the various beemer parts sites the last time I looked though.

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Ken thanks for taking the time. Beemer Bone yard had 1 but it was sold. Any other good sites?

Also, where does the rear speed sensor plug into? When I get one, I wanna know is this an hour job, or a 5 hour job.

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John,
My front sensor was showing that fault on my K12, so I replaced it and still no go. Took it to the dealer and had to have the ABS unit replaced - luckily under extended warranty.
Hope this is not the case for you.

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I hope so as well. I read your thread, and the error was somewhat different, but maybe only yours was throwing the front sensor.


THis appeared to happen after I did the FD old change, but why does the speedo still work? I have read here thats a sign of the fd going out. I dunno. We'll see.

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John,
My front sensor was showing that fault on my K12, so I replaced it and still no go. Took it to the dealer and had to have the ABS unit replaced - luckily under extended warranty.
Hope this is not the case for you.

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