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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old Dec 5th, 2013, 5:47 pm Thread Starter
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Stability of kickstand in storms

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I have grotten myself a 08 K1200GT three months ago.

Since then we had had two storms with gust of 25m/sec, around 55 mph. (Perhaps more)

Both times the bike have tipped over. First time was a rookie mistake of having it in neutral, something I soon read about was a common weakness of the model.

My previous bikes never had any issues in this regard.

But this time it was on the sidestand, in gear, windscreen in lowest position, on level concrete and yet it was tipped over in the opposite side.

This was not a super hurricane, but still it was able to lift up the bike from the sidestand and tip it to the other side.


After I lifted it up, I parked it somewhere more in lee.

I thought that the bike was far to heavy for that, do anyone have similar experiences?
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old Dec 6th, 2013, 10:51 am
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Never had that experience. Most have the opposite where it falls on the stand side because in BMW's infinite wisdom they made the stand's footprint way too small and much too much a lean angle. Maybe that lean angle had to do with your experience.

These are slab sided bikes with no where for side air blasts to go but 'push' on the bike itself.
As you stated you just need to be aware of the surrounding weather at the time.
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Sorry to hear about the tip overs. Hopefully there was no damage and you were able to have assistance getting the bike up righted.

I've had my K1300gt for 2 years now and hadn't even thought of this as a possibility. Luckily, I have a garage that protects is from the weather most of the time. In the future, when I'm out and about and get caught in a sudden storm with wind, I'll try to remember your trick of parking in an area that provides protection from the wind.

Unfortunately, I don't have any better suggestions of how to deal with it.

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Yeah, the only problem I have ever experienced or heard about was either a too soft surface (thats why I parked it on concrete) or not putting it in gear.

Even though it is a slabsided machine, where the fairing can act like a sail, my initial gutfeeling would be at it was way to heavy to tip over like that.

I did have help with righting it up again, and it was surprising easy, when you know the technique.

Now both fairing sides are scratched, only the highpoints of the ridges though.
Both my panniers have deep scratches... The panniers are coated with the 3M foil, but only on top and front. The sides are not. And I dont think that a foil would do any difference in a tip over.

Being the fatalist I am, I just KNEW it would tip over again sooner or later, and therefore I bought a set of R&G sliders, that I intended to install this weekend.

Sooner was sooner than I had anticipated though... Sigh...

As for the panniers, I was thinking of covering the sides thick(er) rubber, to protect them, as they protect the rest of the bike in a tip over. Perhaps something like the BMW Sport Saddlebags.

Or just wear my scars, and accumulate them, and only get the bike repainted the day I decide to sell it.
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The slab sided GT has so much wind catching surface area that is a prime candidate for tip overs when parked and instability when riding in cross winds. Beware. It is also very heavy to pick up and expensive to paint.

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Riding in crosswinds is made easier by setting the ESA to Sport and Two-up, and by keeping your arms loose, but your grip solid.

The ESA settings stiffen things up some, and the loose arms lets the bike float a little to self correct.

But yeah, never park downwind in strong gusts . . .

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Meese, thanks for the esa tip, I will remember that.

Never downwind or ever so slightly downhill...


lhendrick, actually the bike was surprisingly easy to pick up, and I'm not big.
Just use the right technique, and of course it helps to have a nice firm surface.
If the surface was gravel, I think it would be impossible for one person.

But not as surprisingly, as how surprisingly expensive to paint.
I got a quote of approx 645 us $ for one fairing and pannier.

For now, I keep my scars...
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I thought that the bike was far to heavy for that, do anyone have similar experiences?
It's a tall ship with lots of sail! If I were halfway intelligent I could talk about "moment of inertia" and stuff like that, but just remember, the wind doesn't actually have to pick up 575 pounds to tip your bike over.

For me, the sidestand length is a good compromise, but I did buy one of those fatfoot things as soon as I could, which is a really good way to prevent that dainty little sidestand foot from spearing its way through the hot asphalt.
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It's a tall ship with lots of sail! If I were halfway intelligent I could talk about "moment of inertia" and stuff like that, but just remember, the wind doesn't actually have to pick up 575 pounds to tip your bike over.

For me, the sidestand length is a good compromise, but I did buy one of those fatfoot things as soon as I could, which is a really good way to prevent that dainty little sidestand foot from spearing its way through the hot asphalt.
I'm amazed that a 1200K on its sidestand could be tipped over by the wind. Mine is a 2007 and the angle of lean is really quite steep. I did increase the footprint of the sidestand by bolting a 60mm metal disc (actually a support washer from a six inch grind wheel) to it using 4mm stainless boths and Nyloc nuts. I take the point of leaving the bike in gear, though.
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