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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old Jun 22nd, 2015, 9:23 am Thread Starter
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Is the 2007 K1200GT Junk?

I bought a 2007 K12GT with 36K miles a couple weeks ago. The bike looks showroom new without a single blemish. Beauty is only skin deep, however. On day 2 the front brake pad sensor failed. On day 5 the ABS pump failed.



The dealer who sold me the bike completed a 36K service before I took delivery. When I told them about the problems they were surprised.

I repaired the front brake pad sensor. The wire leading to the caliper was broken by a zip tie some gorilla over tightened at the factory. The dealer offered to install a new ABS pump for $1,500. I've read about stuck brushes in the ABS pump motor. I could do the repair myself, but I've decided to sell (dump) the bike and buy something else. I just don't trust the K12GT, fearing the next problem will leave me stranded at roadside.

I asked the dealer if they would accept the bike in trade for something else. They said no, not until the ABS is repaired. I don't blame them.

I've owned several BMWs over the years, the newest was a 2003. I never had a single problem. What happened to BMW quality?

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I bought a 2007 K12GT with 36K miles a couple weeks ago. The bike looks showroom new without a single blemish. Beauty is only skin deep, however. On day 2 the front brake pad sensor failed. On day 5 the ABS pump failed.



The dealer who sold me the bike completed a 36K service before I took delivery. When I told them about the problems they were surprised.

I repaired the front brake pad sensor. The wire leading to the caliper was broken by a zip tie some gorilla over tightened at the factory. The dealer offered to install a new ABS pump for $1,500. I've read about stuck brushes in the ABS pump motor. I could do the repair myself, but I've decided to sell (dump) the bike and buy something else. I just don't trust the K12GT, fearing the next problem will leave me stranded at roadside.

I asked the dealer if they would accept the bike in trade for something else. They said no, not until the ABS is repaired. I don't blame them.

I've owned several BMWs over the years, the newest was a 2003. I never had a single problem. What happened to BMW quality?

Those are both very common issues with the GT. The "Gorilla" at BMW is named Hans. He was in charge of tightening that zip-tie, the fuel quick connect boss on the pump flange and torqueing lug nuts and rear caliper bolts into the wheel flange. The ABS can be fixed quickly by Module Master. You still have the fuel strip failure on the horizon to deal with . If I were shopping I would have done a little more homework on the model and then asked what had been addressed on the bike. Some beemers came out with few/minor issues and have run for years. Others, usually with an influx of "technology" have their issues. The GT is one of these.

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If I were shopping I would have done a little more homework on the model and then asked what had been addressed on the bike.
Before I bought the bike I asked the dealer if there were any issues with the ABS pump and final drive. There was no record of these items in BMW's dealer database. I bought what I thought was the best (1-owner) K12GT in my price range. The dealer had just completed a 36K service, all recalls were completed, new tires were mounted, and the paint looked showroom new.
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Well I don't doubt that for a minute. The dealer was honest...."No sir, THIS bike has never had any ABS issues."...(that we know of). The real life translation is: " Since it probably hasn't happened yet, there's probably a 75% chance that YOU will still have the ABS to deal with."
Heck, even BMW says there aren't any ABS pump issues. To be exact, the pumps work great, it's the crappy sticking electrical brushes that are the issue. Those issues aren't specific to the GT model either. But BMW has never added them to their "issue" list. I don't believe BMW ever admitted to issues with final drives.....but we all know those stories. The fix for the ABS is relatively simple. But BMW machined the motor to the pump housing and called it "unserviceable", hence, their fix is to replace the unit as a whole. I am surprised the dealer didn't suggest Module Master since there are reports that dealers sent the unit to them for the customer. Maybe it's only a few specific dealerships that really want to help the customer. You MIGHT get them (BMW) to admit to fuel strips, rear wheel flanges, cam chain jumping, switch gear (k1300 models) ONLY because they actually sent notices out.
If you are giving it back then it's a mute point, but I would want the dates the recalls were addressed.
IF you decide to stick it out, you will end up with a darn nice rocket..

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I came to an agreement with the dealer today. They offered to install a new ABS pump for $1,200, including parts and labor. I agreed to move forward. I mentioned Module Masters to the service manager. He strongly cautioned me against using rebuilt or used parts. Is his words, "I've seen too many of them come back." Also, since the dealer waived the labor charge in my repair, I would be on my own if a rebuilt part failed.
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Sorry this has been such a bummer for you.

The good news is that BMW parts come with a 2-year warranty, so this ABS pump will be covered for a while.

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He strongly cautioned me against using rebuilt or used parts. Is his words, "I've seen too many of them come back."
Just FWIW, Module Master guarantees the part for 5 years (vs. 2 for BMW.) In fact a rebuilt Module Masters unit may well be a better part than OEM since they modify the motor brushes for improved reliability. Not saying you should change course, just that in this case your service manager may be uninformed.
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Just FWIW, Module Master guarantees the part for 5 years (vs. 2 for BMW.) In fact a rebuilt Module Masters unit may well be a better part than OEM since they modify the motor brushes for improved reliability. Not saying you should change course, just that in this case your service manager may be uninformed.
I mentioned Module Masters to the service manager. His comment is stated in my post above.
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I mentioned Module Masters to the service manager. His comment is stated in my post above.
Now I'm scratching my head.... $350 vs $1200 5 years vs 2. I wonder just how a service manager would see too many coming back............IF they are warranted by MM... hence, MM would be doing the work and your Service Manager would never see them. I would steer you away from anything that took your money away from me also......

You spend your hard earned $$$$ any way you want. But your situation doesn't have to be as expensive/painful as the dealer wants.

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Just FWIW, Module Master guarantees the part for 5 years (vs. 2 for BMW.) In fact a rebuilt Module Masters unit may well be a better part than OEM since they modify the motor brushes for improved reliability. Not saying you should change course, just that in this case your service manager may be uninformed.
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