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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old Mar 17th, 2019, 5:57 am Thread Starter
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Does anyone have a map for the K1300 (S, GT)?
I have tried the stock Euro map from DJ but it doesnt give too much improvement on the low end hesitation / under fueling.
I dont have access to a tuner or Autotune yet. So i'll take a punt on a map that someone has for their bike from either of the above methods.
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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old Mar 20th, 2019, 9:59 pm
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The map for the S and GT should be different because the intakes are different. Go get the bike Dyno tuned and save the file to a Flash Drive in the event you ever have to reload it. I don't know what the prices in Europe are like but a Dyno Tune is around $100 here in the US. And remember, any changes made to the intakes or the exhaust will effect the engine tune meaning the bike should go back on the Dynamometer. So make up your mind what you want to do with either of these areas going forward before you spend the money on a Dyno Job. Just changing the brand of Air Filter will effect the tune especially if going to a reusable filter like a K&N.

Before Dyno Tuning I'd also put in new Sparkplugs, Air Filters, get the Injectors professionally cleaned, and if your Ignition Sticks are getting old, I'd consider looking at those as well.
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Does anyone have a map for the K1300 (S, GT)?
I have tried the stock Euro map from DJ but it doesnt give too much improvement on the low end hesitation / under fueling.
I dont have access to a tuner or Autotune yet. So i'll take a punt on a map that someone has for their bike from either of the above methods.
Thanks
If you want the bike to run correctly you will need a Power Commander and a Autotune for the K1300. The CPU can not be retuned except by the BMW and there only 12 place in memory for changes. I have power Commander on my 09 for years and had a DIMM Sport injection controller on my 05 K1200S

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Does anyone have a map for the K1300 (S, GT)?
I have tried the stock Euro map from DJ but it doesnt give too much improvement on the low end hesitation / under fueling.
I dont have access to a tuner or Autotune yet. So i'll take a punt on a map that someone has for their bike from either of the above methods.
Thanks
Hi, I have only just seen your question hopefully this is not to late to help. Check out Hilltop motorcycles in the Uk. They do complete remaps of ECU's and have a great reputation. Given that you are in Europe it shouldn't be difficult to sort. I'm in Australia and am seriously thinking of sending my ECU to them over our winter. I have a K1300gt with the same issues. They can be found at

http://www.hilltopmotorcycles.co.uk/

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I've not had much luck getting power comander dyno centres to share... they like to pretend each bike is unique (which they, but not to the extent the average animal with a dyno could ever help with)

the free maps are a joke on the PC site. In general all bikes have the same issue, idle is nearly right (but many animals add loads bin it), bottom end is restricted by emissions till there's nothing to run on and top end is set far to rich for safety and it doesn't really matter as no one ever uses it.

I expect if you try this it will transform things

idle 1000 to 1500 rpm, around 0, 1, 2 % throttle add max of 3%
2000 to 3000 on 2% throttle add 2%
between 1500 to 4000 rpm on 5 to 20% throttle add from 5 to 10%
4500 to 6000 rpm 10 to 50% throttle add 5%
from 7000 rpm to redline at 80% throttle and above take out 3%



basically add tiny bit at idle, small amount in low rev low throttle, bit in mid range and take a bit out the top end.... if they added or removed more than 12% to a BM map I'd be thinking they were idiots.

When I did my GS every map on their site made it far worse - unusable. I then looked at the RT maps in places they worked and other rev ranges it too was a total disaster. They were all totally the opposite to the GS.... which for the same engine is ridiculous... I took an average of 20 maps under 5k maps from the RT and above 5k rpm from the GS then rode around and tweaked it. Its light years on from what BMW offer

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I don't know what the prices in Europe are like but a Dyno Tune is around $100 here in the US. .
I know one of the best ones in the UK
he won't even load one they had and run up the bike to check its about right... for $200
he will only do a full half day session for closer to $400
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Yeah Botus, You just got to find a young guy who is intelligent and polite. The guy at 2 Wheel Dyno here in Seattle was very helpful and went thru everything I was concerned about and took the time to clarify everything. He also lets customers in the shop and accepts help and converses with you as he works.

I think the issue we are looking at is the fact that most Dyno shops are run by Racers or Wana-Be Racers. By their very nature as fanatically competitive, many tend to be assholes with horrible social skills.

A while ago I needed to have a 2nd hand rear Ohlins shock I bought on eBay rebuilt and didn't want to take the time to send it all the way back East to have it rebuilt at the factory facility so I stopped by a local shop that said they were an Ohlins dealer. When I walked in, the guy at the counter turned and walked in to the back when he saw me coming and left some gal to wait on me. That's really shitty body language and it tells you he can't even stand to be in the same fucking room with the customers. After a couple weeks I got the shock back but just got a blank stare when I asked for the old parts. I didn't' go back there again. Keep in mind I've been riding since the '50s and can remember walking into Scooter Shops and have them hand me a beer and offer me a seat.

As for costs; I had two full maps done because I wanted to be able to run with the baffle both in or out on my new "SC Project" exhaust. Now I have both files loaded and can switch to either with a simple jumper on the Power Commander 5. The total ran me just over $300 and keep in mind that we in the Seattle area have inflated prices on just about everything. I would guess that a Dyno job would be less elsewhere. Interestingly, there was only one horsepower difference between the two maps. It was just last week that I got all this done. The bike runs better then it ever has with a spectacular mid range. Now the proof of the pudding will be told when we try this hummer out at altitude. Living in the US Mountain West, high altitude riding is an everyday experience and has to be dealt with.

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Yeah Botus, You just got to find a young guy who is intelligent and polite. The guy at 2 Wheel Dyno here in Seattle was very helpful and went thru everything I was concerned about and took the time to clarify everything. He also lets customers in the shop and accepts help and converses with you as he works.

I think the issue we are looking at is the fact that most Dyno shops are run by Racers or Wana-Be Racers. By their very nature as fanatically competitive, many tend to be assholes with horrible social skills.

The total ran me just over $300 and keep in mind that we in the Seattle area have inflated prices on just about everything. .
I was talking to a guy at work about remapping, he's got some Yank v8 he drag races a bit and is busy making up an exhaust to run with a turbo... he was just saying all the dyno places here just want to run a full power run for 300 and tell you what's wrong. Won't assist in advice or mapping... just expect you to come back at some later date and spend more on another one off run.
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I expect if you try this it will transform things

idle 1000 to 1500 rpm, around 0, 1, 2 % throttle add max of 3%
2000 to 3000 on 2% throttle add 2%
between 1500 to 4000 rpm on 5 to 20% throttle add from 5 to 10%
4500 to 6000 rpm 10 to 50% throttle add 5%
from 7000 rpm to redline at 80% throttle and above take out 3%

basically add tiny bit at idle, small amount in low rev low throttle, bit in mid range and take a bit out the top end.... if they added or removed more than 12% to a BM map I'd be thinking they were idiots.
Is that from stock EU, US or DT's Euro maodified (air filter) map?
Thanks, i'll try that or maybe buy an autotune.
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Is that from stock EU, US or DT's Euro maodified (air filter) map?
Thanks, i'll try that or maybe buy an autotune.

I was on stock Euro map... either the early or the later one... same issue. I would expect US map to be remarkably similar. They strangle for two reasons

1) emissions
2) noise regs (build in a flat spot at the point euro bikes ride - on full throttle - ride past a noise meter in second gear - which on many bikes is 6k I think)

neither make it nice to ride, far richer than required makes it very smooth and glitch free... too rich and they are sluggish and the oil gets dirty quickly, too lean will run hot a bit, seem glitchy and irritable and will stall at low revs

and for those who don't think you can do it yourselves... Woolwich racing who have a great worldwide reputation only recently bought a dyno
and the former UK importer, claimed I couldn't really mess it up as you are effectively trimming tiny amounts, 10k miles on he appears to be right

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