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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old Sep 23rd, 2006, 6:53 pm Thread Starter
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How to embarass yourself in front of Harley folk

While getting gas near the local Harley shop this morning, a couple of Harley riders walk over and start asking questions about the K1200GT. Typical ESA and "What's that?" (GPS) and radar detector stuff. Nothing special other than "How many ponies you got?"

When I told them they sort'a didn't believe it and asked me to fire it up so they could hear it. Since it was gassed up and I was ready to leave, I obliged.

Then the damn thing wouldn't start!

Key on. BMW Navigator lit up as well as dash.
I checked the sidestand. Up
I check the dash. Neutral.
Clutch in.
Kill switch in middle (run).

What the hell? Bike refuses to start! :wtf

I deployed the sidestand and kicked it up again. Nothing.
Neutral indicator on. Bike rolls.
No starter action at all.

Now someone says, "What'sa matter? Bike won't start?"

I flipped the kill switch a couple of times and then the thing starts. Dunno. Very odd action and not one I want to happen again.

Maybe this is some version 6 error?


Bike behaved normally the rest of the day.
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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old Sep 23rd, 2006, 6:58 pm
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I don't know the reasoning behind it, but if you turn the key with the clutch engaged it won't start when you hit the starter button. You have to turn the key off and then back on again (without the clutch engaged) in order for it to start.
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I don't know the reasoning behind it, but if you turn the key with the clutch engaged it won't start when you hit the starter button. You have to turn the key off and then back on again (without the clutch engaged) in order for it to start.
Yes, this is in the owner's manual. I did this quite a few time when I first bought the bike 2 months ago.

Just remember not to touch the clutch before turning on the ignition.
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post #4 of 13 (permalink) Old Sep 23rd, 2006, 10:53 pm
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Actually, if you're already in gear and pulled the clutch lever before turning on the ignition key, all you have to do is release the clutch lever then pull it back again and it will start. I tried this several times this week and it worked every time.
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This is just so sad. I have been backing the bike out of the garage every morning and having to release the clutch and grab it again - thinking that the clutch had some air in it and therefore wasn't tripping the permissive to get the starter to engage.
Now I find out - it's supposed to be that way! Feeling really dumb right now.

And I swear I read the book from cover to cover - after I got home :-)
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My '02 RT had a similar problem with the kill switch, a real PIA, I eventually got mad, took it apart and redressed the contacts. Underneath you will find it's a pretty cheap POS.

I wouldn't be surprised if your is just touchy like mine was. Move it back an forth a couple times and then it would work.

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In my former life as an electronics technican, I encountered this type of computer control logic regularly. I believe that the computer needs to see a "state change" of the clutch switch before it will let the engine start if the bike is in gear. If you pull in the clutch lever before the ignition is turned on, the computer doesn't see this "state change." Once you release the clutch and pull it in again, the bike will start.

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Your bike just did not like the Harley boys :-)))

Take care!

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i wouldnt worry....its nothing new to them....most likely normal.....notice how that phrase just rolled off there tongue ?..."BIKE WONT START"? ....not dissimilar to "I HAVE AN OIL LEAK"
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Happens to them, also. Back in 1988, I had a 1100 Suzuki Katana. My best friend rode a Goldwing. one day he comes by work and starts bad mouthing me about my rice burner jap crap and how I am a big loser on it. I ask, what is up with his shit, and he states "I bought a Harley". We all go outside the station to look at his bike, and he puts on an outstanding performance of running jap crap down. Get's on his new pride and joy, flips me off and pushes the starter. it wouldn't start, and I almost pee'd my pants laughing so hard!

I reminded him how the Goldwing always started.
Of course, this is the same guy I let ride my first BMW and he came back and complained that you can't hear it run. I had to explain to him that was the point.

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