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18K Service - How many hours?

I just had my K--R serviced and I AM shell-shocked. It took 9 hours (this included state inspection, and a rear brake change). So, I'm figuring 8 hours went for the 18K service.

What have you experienced?

Who here owns the maintenance CD? I'm not that mechanically inclined. Would I benefit from the maint. CD and doing easier things myself?

Does the maint manual come in print form?

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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old Apr 29th, 2008, 4:49 pm
 
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What did the total service run you?
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This why I thing that the dealer suck . There no way that a 18000 mile service took a day to do. The dealer steal you money all the time . I hate the BMW dealer
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WTF ..
So they even worked an extra hour of overtime??
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I just had my K--R serviced and I AM shell-shocked. It took 9 hours (this included state inspection, and a rear brake change). So, I'm figuring 8 hours went for the 18K service.

What have you experienced?

Who here owns the maintenance CD? I'm not that mechanically inclined. Would I benefit from the maint. CD and doing easier things myself?

Does the maint manual come in print form?

Thanks,
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Does the work order list everything they did? Something took a lot of time...



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I spoke to my local BMW service shop and they quoted me around $800 to do the 18k service which will include the valve adjustment. I'm taking in next week. I'll let you know what they bill for and how many hours.
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Warning
If maintenance and repair work is performed inexpertly, it could result in consequential damage and thus constitute a safety risk.

BMW Motorrad recommends you to have all the associated work on your motorcycle carried out by a specialist workshop, preferably an authorised BMW Motorrad dealer.




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Attention
The motorcycle can topple and fall on its side.

Make sure that the motorcycle cannot topple sideways.




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(+) Reading fault memory with BMW Motorrad diagnostic system
(-) Reading fault memory with BMW Motorrad diagnostic system

Installing rear-wheel stand

Push the locking button and remove retaining pin (No. 36 3 985).


Push axle adapter (No. 36 3 982) into basic stand (No. 36 3 981) and secure with retaining pin.


Fit adapter shaft (No. 36 3 986) to the axle adapter.


Use the screws to set the rear-wheel stand to the desired height.


Push the rear wheel stand from the left into the rear axle.


Push on retaining pin (No. 36 3 985) from the right, while holding the locking button down.



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Attention
The motorcycle can topple and fall on its side.

Make sure that the motorcycle cannot topple sideways.




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Hold the motorcycle straight and at the same time press the lever down until the motorcycle is upright and the handle of the rear-wheel stand is on the ground.




Remove the seat

Open seat lock (1) with ignition key (2).


Remove seat (3).




Connecting BMW Motorrad diagnostic system to motorcycle


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Note

You can find further details about the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system in the respective operating manual.

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Connect the BMW Motorrad battery charger.



Workshop equipment

BMW Motorrad battery charger (version for Europe without GB)

BMW Motorrad battery charger (GB/AUS/NZL version)

BMW Motorrad battery charger (Japan version)

BMW Motorrad battery charger (USA/CAN version)

Begin by switching on the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system and wait for it to power up.


The "Start Diagnosis" screen appears


From this point on, follow the instructions issued by the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system.




Read all fault memories.



Carry out repairs as specified.




(+) Checking transparency of hose for engine-oil level indicator
(-) Checking transparency of hose for engine-oil level indicator


Test

Visually inspect the hose of the engine-oil level indicator for opacity.



Result: Hose of engine-oil level indicator severely opaque.

Measure:

=> 11 43 511, Replacing oil-level indicator (for maintenance/oil drained) (Billed as a separate item)


=> Oil change in engine with filter (for maintenance) (Description in item: 11 00 609, Billed as a separate item) Annually or every 10,000 km
=> Checking valve clearance (for maintenance) (Description in item: 11 34 502, Billed as a separate item) every 30,000 km
=> Replace all spark plugs (as part of maintenance) (Description in item: 12 12 509, Billed as a separate item) every 30,000 km
=> Replace air filter cartridge (for maintenance) (Description in item: 13 72 505, Billed as a separate item) every 40,000 km
=> Oil change, rear wheel drive (Description in item: 33 00 501, Billed as a separate item) every two years or every 20,000 km
(+) Visually inspecting brake pipes, brake hoses and connections
(-) Visually inspecting brake pipes, brake hoses and connections

Visually inspect for:



Leaks



Traces of fluid



Damage



Deformation



Incorrect routing




(+) Checking front brake pads and brake discs for wear
(-) Checking front brake pads and brake discs for wear

Checking front brake pads for wear

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Warning
Brake pads worn past the minimum permissible thickness can cause a reduction in braking efficiency and damage the brake system.

Replace the brake pads in good time.

Have the brake pads replaced before the minimum allowable thickness is reached.




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Test


Visually inspect the brake pads.



If necessary, measure the brake-pad thickness.



Technical data
Brake-pad wear limit, front

Friction pad only, without backing plate. The wear indicators (grooves) must be clearly visible.
min 1 mm




Result: Brake pad liners worn to below minimum permissible thickness.

Measure:

=> 34 11 832, Replacing front brake pads (Billed as a separate item)



Checking front brake discs for wear

Test

Carefully check the brake discs for cracks, damage, deformation and scoring.


Measure the thickness of the front brake discs at several points with a caliper gauge.


Technical data
Brake disc thickness, front
When new
5.0 mm


Wear limit
min 4.5 mm



Result: Brake disc damaged or worn to less than minimum permissible thickness.

Measure:

=> 34 11 840, Removing and installing front brake discs (Billed as a separate item)




=> Changing brake fluid, front brakes (Description in item: 34 00 548, Billed as a separate item) initially after one year, then every two years
(+) Checking brake-fluid level, front brakes
(-) Checking brake-fluid level, front brakes

Test


Make sure the motorcycle is upright.



Check the brake fluid level in the reservoir.



Technical data
Brake fluid level, front

Brake-fluid reservoir horizontal, motorcycle upright and handlebars centred
Do not permit the brake fluid level to drop below the MIN mark.


Fluids and lubricants

DOT4 brake fluid



Result: Level not as specified

Measure:

If the fluid level is not to specification, check for leaks and other possible causes.





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Note

Wear of the brake pads causes the brake fluid level in the reservoir to sink.

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(+) Checking rear brake pads and brake disc for wear
(-) Checking rear brake pads and brake disc for wear

Checking rear brake pads for wear

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Warning
Brake pads worn past the minimum permissible thickness can cause a reduction in braking efficiency and damage the brake system.

Replace the brake pads in good time.

Have the brake pads replaced before the minimum allowable thickness is reached.




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Test


Visually inspect the brake pads.



Technical data
Brake-pad wear limit, rear

Friction pad only, without backing plate. Make sure that the brake disc is not visible through the bore in the inboard brake pad.
min 1.0 mm




Result: Brake pad liners worn to below minimum permissible thickness.

Measure:

=> 34 21 769, Replacing rear brake pads (Billed as a separate item)



Checking rear brake disc for wear

Carefully check the brake disc for cracks, damage, deformation and scoring.


Measure the thickness of the rear brake disc at several points with a caliper gauge.


Test

Technical data
Brake disc thickness, rear
When new
5.0 mm


Wear limit
min 4.5 mm



Result: Brake disc damaged or worn to less than minimum permissible thickness.

Measure:

=> 34 21 772, Removing and installing rear brake disc (Billed as a separate item)




=> Changing brake fluid, rear brakes (Description in item: 34 00 549, Billed as a separate item) initially after one year, then every two years
(+) Checking brake-fluid level, rear brakes
(-) Checking brake-fluid level, rear brakes

Test


Check the brake fluid level in the reservoir.



Technical data
Brake fluid level, rear

Brake-fluid reservoir horizontal, motorcycle upright
Do not permit the brake fluid level to drop below the MIN mark.


Fluids and lubricants

DOT4 brake fluid



Result: Level not as specified

Measure:

If the fluid level is not to specification, check for leaks and other possible causes.





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Note

Wear of the brake pads causes the brake fluid level in the reservoir to sink.

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(+) Checking clutch system
(-) Checking clutch system

Test



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Attention
The clutch system is filled with a special hydraulic fluid that does not have to be changed. Incorrect fluids and lubricants will damage the seals and diaphragms of the system.

Do not attempt to introduce conventional brake fluid into the system. Use only the approved hydraulic fluid.




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Check the clutch slave cylinder and master cylinder and the clutch line for damage and leaks.



Technical data
Clutch-fluid level (repairs)

Motorcycle upright on level ground and reservoir horizontal.
Bottom edge of groove for reservoir cap catch


Fluids and lubricants

Vitam LS



Result: Leak in clutch system.

Measure:

Rectify the leak.



=> 21 52 513, Replacing clutch slave cylinder (without bleeding system) (Billed as a separate item)

=> 21 52 514, Replacing clutch line (without bleeding system) (Billed as a separate item)

=> 32 72 664, Replacing handlebar fitting for clutch actuation (without bleeding system) (Billed as a separate item)


(+) Checking freedom of movement of throttle cable and checking for kinks and chafing
(-) Checking freedom of movement of throttle cable and checking for kinks and chafing



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Note

The throttle cable must be correctly adjusted in order for the electronic engine management system to function correctly.

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Test


Check the throttle cable for kinks and chafing.



No signs of kinks or chafing.



Fully open the throttle twistgrip at different handlebar positions and then release.



The throttle twistgrip returns to the closed position by itself.



Result: Throttle cable is damaged.

Measure:

=> 32 73 509, Replacing throttle cable to handlebar (Billed as a separate item)

=> 32 73 561, Replacing throttle cable (return) to handlebar (Billed as a separate item)



Test

With the handlebars in the straight-ahead position, check play A at the throttle twistgrip.


Technical data
Setting, throttle-cable play
Play measured at outer edge of inner rubber collar of throttle twistgrip
3...4 mm




Result: Play A at throttle twistgrip is not correct.

Measure:

Adjusting throttle-cable play.


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Note

Check/adjust throttle-cable play with the engine cold.

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Slacken locknut (1).


With the throttle twistgrip in the straight-ahead position, set cable clearance (A) between throttle cable and cable adapter to specification.


Correct play by turning adjusting screw (2).


Technical data
Setting, throttle-cable play
Play measured at outer edge of inner rubber collar of throttle twistgrip
3...4 mm




Tighten locknut (1).





(+) Checking coolant level
(-) Checking coolant level

Test


Use the marks to check the coolant level in the expansion tank.



Technical data
Coolant, specified level

Between MIN and MAX marks on the expansion tank




Result: Level deviates slightly from specification

Measure:

Correct the coolant level.




Result: Level deviates significantly from specification

Measure:

=> 17 00 502, Checking cooling system for leaks (with cooling system tester) (Billed as a separate item)


(+) Checking tyre pressures and tread depth
(-) Checking tyre pressures and tread depth

Checking tyre pressure
Test


Check tyre pressures against the data below.



Technical data
Tyre pressure, front
Tyre cold
2.5 bar


Tyre pressure, rear
Tyre cold
2.9 bar




Result: If tyre pressure is too low:

Measure:

Correct tyre pressure.





Measuring tread depth of tyres
Test



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Warning
Impaired handling and risk of dropping the motorcycle.

Comply with local legal requirements concerning minimum tread depth. Worn tyres can impair handling to a considerable extent.




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Measure the tyre tread depth in the main tread grooves with wear marks.





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Note

Tyres have wear indicators integrated into the main tread grooves. The tyre is worn out when the tyre tread has worn down to the level of the marks. The locations of the marks are indicated on the edge of the tyre, e.g. by the letters TI, TWI or by an arrow.

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Technical data
Tyre tread depth, front and rear
Wear limit, for Germany only
min 1.6 mm


Wear limit, outside Germany
Country-specific legal requirements



Result: Tyre tread depth not to specification.

Measure:

=> 36 30 628, Removing and installing front wheel (Billed as a separate item)

=> 36 32 501, Renewing front tyre (wheel removed) (Billed as a separate item)

=> 36 30 629, Removing and installing rear wheel (Billed as a separate item)

=> 36 32 511, Removing rear tyre (wheel removed) (Billed as a separate item)




=> Checking relay lever (Description in item: 33 53 732, Billed as a separate item) every two years
(+) Checking ease of movement of side stand
(-) Checking ease of movement of side stand

Test


Extend and retract the side stand to check the freedom of its movement.



Result: Side stand stiff.

Measure:

=> 46 53 505, Removing and installing, cleaning and lubricating side stand (Billed as a separate item)


(+) Checking lights and signalling equipment
(-) Checking lights and signalling equipment

Check the following functions:



Side light, front, and rear light



Instrument lighting



High-beam headlight, headlight flasher



Brake light (operate front and rear brakes)



Turn signals left/right



Hazard warning flashers



Horn



Telltale lights



Start the engine and check that the low-beam headlight is functioning correctly.





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Note

The ZFE (central vehicle electronics control unit) does not enable certain electrical functions such as the low-beam headlight, for instance, unless the engine is running.

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(+) Function test, engine start suppression
(-) Function test, engine start suppression



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Note

Engine start is not enabled if you pull the clutch with a gear engaged before switching on the ignition.

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Test


Move the kill switch to the operating position (ON).



Select neutral.



Switch on the ignition.



Neutral telltale light "N" lights up.



Select a gear.



Neutral telltale light "N" goes out.



Press the starter button.



Starter does not operate.



Extend the side stand.



Pull the clutch lever.



Press the starter button.



Starter does not operate.



Retract the side stand.



Press the starter button without releasing the clutch lever.



Starter operates.



Result: Not all test steps completed successfully.

Measure:

Function-test engine start suppression and function-test emergency and safety shutdown of the engine with the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system.




=> Lubricating ball-joint clamp (for maintenance) (Description in item: 18 21 510, Billed as a separate item) every 20,000 km
(+) Final inspection and check of roadworthiness
(-) Final inspection and check of roadworthiness

A pre-ride check is performed after you switch on the ignition. The operability of all warning lights and warning symbols are checked. If one of the indicator or warning lights fails, connect the motorcycle to the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system and follow the instructions issued by the system.





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Note

The Pre-Ride Check aborts as soon as the engine is started.

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The multifunction display shows 2 phases in succession:



Phase 1:



General warning light shows red.



CHECK ! appears on the display.



Phase 2:



General warning light shows yellow.



CHECK ! appears on the display.



Perform the BMW Motorrad Integral ABS pull-away test at min. 5 km/h.





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Note

The ABS warning light and the 'General' warning light must both be OFF after successful self-diagnosis and the pull-away test.

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Check operation of all instruments.



Check engine operation, taking care not to rev the engine past the specified running-in speed.



Technical data
Running-in speed
<7000 min-1




Check operation of the running gear.



Check operation of the brake system.



Check operation of kill switch.



Correcting engine oil level
After completing all work, check the oil level with the engine at operating temperature after a trial run/road test.



Allow the engine to run for one minute so that oil from the sump is pumped into the oil tank.



Switch off the ignition.



Check the oil level with the motorcycle upright; correct the oil level if necessary.



Technical data
Engine oil, specified level

Between MIN and MAX marks






(+) Reading fault memory with BMW Motorrad diagnostic system
(-) Reading fault memory with BMW Motorrad diagnostic system

Read all fault memories.





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Note

When working with the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system, always follow the instructions it issues.

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Carry out repairs as specified.




(+) Setting service-due date
(-) Setting service-due date

In the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system, select 'Toolbox Maintenance'.



Set the service-due date.




(+) Setting service countdown distance
(-) Setting service countdown distance

In the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system, select 'Toolbox Maintenance'.



Set the service countdown distance.




(+) Setting service-due date and service countdown distance
(-) Setting service-due date and service countdown distance

In the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system, select 'Toolbox Maintenance'.



Set the service-due date and service countdown distance.




(+) Check the battery charge state
(-) Check the battery charge state



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Attention
Standard, commercially available chargers connected to the on-board socket could cause irreparable damage to the central vehicle electronics (ZFE) and themselves.

Use only battery chargers approved by BMW Motorrad for use with motorcycles equipped with ZFE.




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Set the BMW Motorrad battery charger to the correct charging characteristic.



Workshop equipment

BMW Motorrad battery charger (version for Europe without GB)

BMW Motorrad battery charger (GB/AUS/NZL version)

BMW Motorrad battery charger (Japan version)

BMW Motorrad battery charger (USA/CAN version)

Disconnect electric consumers from the on-board socket or sockets, if connected.


Test

Switch on the ignition.


Central vehicle electronics (ZFE) control unit switches on.


Switch off the ignition.


Technical data
Deactivation delay, Central Vehicle Electronics
if no consumers are active
60 s




ZFE remains on, because of the deactivation delay.


Within the deactivation delay, connect the BMW Motorrad battery charger with charging cable to on-board socket (1) first.


The battery charge state is displayed.



Result: Battery is not fully charged.

Measure:

Connect the BMW Motorrad battery charger to the local power supply.





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Note

If the battery charger indicates that on-board voltage has dropped to the lower voltage limit for the on-board system, you can recharge the battery only by connecting the charger directly to the battery terminals. The on-board socket is switched off if the voltage is below this lower voltage limit.

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Technical data
Undervoltage in on-board system
≤7 V




Charge the battery with the BMW Motorrad battery charger, taking care to comply with the instructions for use.




(+) Confirming BMW Service in on-board documentation
(-) Confirming BMW Service in on-board documentation


Confirm completion of the BMW Service in the on-board documentation.

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$404.22 for a 18K service 2010 - w/ final drive oil change/new plugs/coolant/oil/filter/fuel system cleaner/gasket/o-rings/brake part cleaner - no time on labor - also free pick up & drop off always from my dealer. My shop's labor rates are 1/2 price in the winter with a print out of everything done & by who worked on the bike.

$401.29 for my 6K at another dealer 2008 - with more info on the print sheet - of 5 hrs. labor for a 2 yr. annual service. With Oil Tank Vent. - recall done as well $50.89 Parts, $328 Labor
$22.40 other = Total job- $401.29 I waited at the dealer while work was done - they told me 4 to 5 hrs for the work, but looking at the Dealer Repair Order - I found something funny under Labor Perform Annual 5 hrs. $410. = $82 hrs. labor shop rate, BUT a credit for Duplicate Labor Credit of -2.5 hrs. of -$205. labor

$151.23 for 600 mile service, with 1.5 hrs labor in 2006
$78.09 for an oil change, $35.25 oil /filter & seal+ $42. Labor= $78.09 with Banjo bolts replaced under warranty 2006

Prices vary dealer to dealer on everything - I have 4 BMW moto dealer all 40 miles from me, I can even order some parts form BMW car dealers - get to know the parts people at car dealer, they can help you out as well.

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I was quoted almost 10 hours of labor for that service, and apparently up to 4 hours of it is replacing the oil for the servo assist brake system.
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