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Dec 10th, 2005 9:04 pm
sinc
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisH
As they should? Sorry but the build quality of Honda is just as good if not better in some cases than BMW. I forgot one other seller of bikes that can price out higher than BMW...

Harley Davidson...

Ain't going to touch why for that one.


BMW used to have the corner on ABS, FI, and good suspensions. The used to warrant their prices by the features they held in advantage over other brands. Problem is other brands closed the gap. Worse BMW doesn't have the dealer network and of the big brands has as such their owners are forced into having to pay higher prices for the bikes, maintenance, and accessories.

I love the bikes, but damn if they aren't priced outside of what the market expects.
Hondas are great bikes, my last bike was a VFR, but in general I'd say the build quality of a BMW is superior. I don't think the Honda is engineered to the same standard either as the BMW. So yes, in my view they should sell for less (for a similar product).

As for their dealer network, I think the BMW sales and technical people are better equipped to assist you as they *only* service and sell BMW. They know the product.

We have 2 Honda dealers in town but they also sell and service Kawasaki and Yamaha, not to mention scooters and the like. They just don't have the in-depth knowledge of a specific brand since they spread themselves out over a number of brands and products.
Dec 10th, 2005 12:04 am
ChrisH
Quote:
Originally Posted by sincGT
Actually, Hondas sell at significantly lower prices then BMW...as they should. The ST1300 sells for $18499 whereas the GT sells for $25K (Canadian prices).
As they should? Sorry but the build quality of Honda is just as good if not better in some cases than BMW. I forgot one other seller of bikes that can price out higher than BMW...

Harley Davidson...

Ain't going to touch why for that one.


BMW used to have the corner on ABS, FI, and good suspensions. The used to warrant their prices by the features they held in advantage over other brands. Problem is other brands closed the gap. Worse BMW doesn't have the dealer network and of the big brands has as such their owners are forced into having to pay higher prices for the bikes, maintenance, and accessories.

I love the bikes, but damn if they aren't priced outside of what the market expects.
Dec 9th, 2005 12:18 am
RFWILSON
Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles_Miller
Just for the record <g>, I rode a K100RT in the 80's and 90's. Put 40,000 miles on the beast (in addition to installing a sorely needed WP shock at 20,000 miles). It was called "red", but really came across as mud brown to most people including me!.

Miles
I am on my second Works Performance shock; the first one came with the bike when I bought it used, and it ended up breaking all its springs at one time or another. Then I rebuilt it but Works changed the spring diameters slightly by that time and the new ones kept rubbing. Ended up just buying a new one.... which immediately had to be sent back because of oil leaks due to weld porosity. Right out of the box, it was wet with oil!

Bob.
Dec 8th, 2005 9:57 pm
Miles_Miller
Quote:
Originally Posted by RFWILSON
Maybe this has already been posted, but looking at Michael Bense's site, here are some more details about the new K1200GT translated from German.

Note that he says that this is the technical data "soweit bekannt" or, AS MUCH AS IS KNOWN (at the present time).

Power: 152PS @ 9500RPM (PS = PferdStärke = DIN Horsepower)
Torque: 130 Nm (96 Ft-lb) @ 7750 RPM
6 speed gearbox
Dry Weight: 249 kg (549 lb)
Weight with a full tank: 282 kg (622 lb)
Tank capacity: 24 liters (6.34 US gallons) it doesn't state if this includes the reserve or not.

Note that the "PS" rating is a little more conservative than US HP rating. But as I recall, Japanese bikes are also rated in PS too, so maybe you can compare apples with apples here.

Regarding the colors that I translated earlier, the so-called "Kristalgrau Metallic" (Crystal Grey Metallic) is actually that "Ivory" color seen in some shots. BMW's color naming leaves a little to be desired! My old '86 K100RT is "Diamantgrau Metallic" (Diamond Gray Met.), and it is anything but grey! It is a greenish metallic color!

Bob.
Thanks Bob.

Guess at this point, it might be prudent to just sit back and see what the new GT at the Long Beach show brings this weekend. The show begins at 4:00 p.m. tomorrow. After that, Dean will be at the San Jose show the following week and we can expect some specfics.

Just for the record <g>, I rode a K100RT in the 80's and 90's. Put 40,000 miles on the beast (in addition to installing a sorely needed WP shock at 20,000 miles). It was called "red", but really came across as mud brown to most people including me!.

Miles
Dec 7th, 2005 11:47 pm
RFWILSON Maybe this has already been posted, but looking at Michael Bense's site, here are some more details about the new K1200GT translated from German.

Note that he says that this is the technical data "soweit bekannt" or, AS MUCH AS IS KNOWN (at the present time).

Power: 152PS @ 9500RPM (PS = PferdStärke = DIN Horsepower)
Torque: 130 Nm (96 Ft-lb) @ 7750 RPM
6 speed gearbox
Dry Weight: 249 kg (549 lb)
Weight with a full tank: 282 kg (622 lb)
Tank capacity: 24 liters (6.34 US gallons) it doesn't state if this includes the reserve or not.

Note that the "PS" rating is a little more conservative than US HP rating. But as I recall, Japanese bikes are also rated in PS too, so maybe you can compare apples with apples here.

Regarding the colors that I translated earlier, the so-called "Kristalgrau Metallic" (Crystal Grey Metallic) is actually that "Ivory" color seen in some shots. BMW's color naming leaves a little to be desired! My old '86 K100RT is "Diamantgrau Metallic" (Diamond Gray Met.), and it is anything but grey! It is a greenish metallic color!

Bob.
Dec 7th, 2005 11:17 pm
RFWILSON
Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles_Miller
Thanks for the translation, Bob. Maybe you could help out again in case we see more of these interesting German language threads on the new GT. Interestingly, all this information came from an Austrian rather than a German source.

If you are interested, you might check the German K-bikes forums once in awhile; that's where this information came from; assuming you have an interest in the bike. The web address is www.K1200s.de

Miles
I'll keep an eye out for threads of interest. And am I "interested" in the new K1200GT?? Is the Pope Catholic?? I presently ride an old '86K100RT. It is in really great shape and seems to want to run forever (a former owner even rode it from Sweden to India and back!). But I have to say that the new K has me thinking hard about replacing the venerable old one.

Now if they had only not put that absurd instrument cluster from the '53 Chev on the new K.....

Bob.
Dec 7th, 2005 10:35 pm
sinc
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisH
Too bad for BMW the only company that can sell in volume at BMW motorcycle prices isn't BMW, its Honda.
Actually, Hondas sell at significantly lower prices then BMW...as they should. The ST1300 sells for $18499 whereas the GT sells for $25K (Canadian prices).
Dec 7th, 2005 10:26 pm
sinc
Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles_Miller
http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publi...ter_1506.shtml

<snip> in a bloated, heavily weighted K12RS/GT with plastic flanks that swirl around in pretty but aimless directions. Miles
Hmmm, this doesn't sound like the usual diplomatic Miles...that fugly comment must have hit a nerve. I'm all for defending the new GT, which I happen to like, but calling down the current version in the process...now let's not get carried away.

Bloated, overweight? Sure it's a heavy bike but that contributes to the feeling of stability at speed like nothing else. And it's roughly the same weight as it's competitors (and the new GT) which I've listed below along with links to the pages where the specs of the various bikes are listed.

2005 GT dry weight - 281kg (wet weight - 300 kg)

New GT "unloaded" - 282 kg (not sure if this is dry or wet but assuming it's wet weight, the difference between the new gt and the old is only 18 kg, around 40 lbs...not huge)
http://www.k-bikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1732

FJR dry weight - 268 kg http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/...ion=td&group=M

ST1300 dry weight - 289 kg http://www.honda.ca/MotorcycleEng/Cu...page=techspecs

While we're on the topic, let's not forget your beloved S is no lightweight at 248kg (wet), only 52 kg less then the GT. In fact in sportbike circles it would be considered "bloated and heavily weighted". A Suzuki GSX1000 weighs in at at mere 166kg! http://www.suzuki.ca/en/bike/specs.c...=super%20sport

PS Some of us think those plastic flanks that swirl in pretty but aimless directions look pretty good...even better then the angled flanks of the new GT.
Dec 7th, 2005 9:43 pm
Miles_Miller
Quote:
Originally Posted by RFWILSON
Of course it's understandable! :p

Of course, it helps to be able to speak German.

For those who don't, here is the translation for the 3 available colors....

"Darkgraphit Metallic; Sitzbank grau"..... Dark graphite metallic; grey seat
"Darkgraphit Metallic; Sitzbank schwarz"..... Dark graphite metallic; black seat
"Kristallgrau Metallic; Sitzbank grau"..... Crystal grey metallic; grey seat
"Kristallgrau Metallic; Sitzbank schwarz"..... Crystal grey metallic; black seat
"Tiefblau Metallic; Sitzbank grau"..... Deep Blue metallic; grey seat
"Tiefblau Metallic; Sitzbank schwarz"..... Deep Blue metallic; black seat

Interestingly, they refer to the seat as a "Sitzbank" which literally means "bench seat". I wonder if they are planning to offer "bucket seats" as an alternative?

Bob.
Thanks for the translation, Bob. Maybe you could help out again in case we see more of these interesting German language threads on the new GT. Interestingly, all this information came from an Austrian rather than a German source.

If you are interested, you might check the German K-bikes forums once in awhile; that's where this information came from; assuming you have an interest in the bike. The web address is www.K1200s.de

Miles
Dec 7th, 2005 4:32 pm
ChrisH
Quote:
Originally Posted by RFWILSON
Of course it's understandable! :p

Of course, it helps to be able to speak German.

For those who don't, here is the translation for the 3 available colors....

"Darkgraphit Metallic; Sitzbank grau"..... Dark graphite metallic; grey seat
"Darkgraphit Metallic; Sitzbank schwarz"..... Dark graphite metallic; black seat
"Kristallgrau Metallic; Sitzbank grau"..... Crystal grey metallic; grey seat
"Kristallgrau Metallic; Sitzbank schwarz"..... Crystal grey metallic; black seat
"Tiefblau Metallic; Sitzbank grau"..... Deep Blue metallic; grey seat
"Tiefblau Metallic; Sitzbank schwarz"..... Deep Blue metallic; black seat

Interestingly, they refer to the seat as a "Sitzbank" which literally means "bench seat". I wonder if they are planning to offer "bucket seats" as an alternative?

Bob.

That Crystal Grey sure looks ivory in pictures, wish I hope holds true when it comes here. I'll buy that color as seen in the photos...
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