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Sep 23rd, 2006 5:25 pm
joema
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark5lam
I took my KS into the dealer yesterday to have the 7.0 installed from 6.0...According the computer, nothing needed to be done and he could not make it install any 7.0 software or upgrade the engine management system...
My dealer's shop foreman told me the 7.0 update is classified as a "non-mandatory" update. The diagnostic computer will not install 7.0 unless the tech does a special override procedure. It seems not all techs are aware of that.

BMW service departments have well established escalation paths to access increasing technical expertise until an issue is resolved. If they can't figure out how to download 7.0 to your bike, they should figure out how. They're not an island to themselves, without any means of contacting BMW technical assistance.

Personally given that situation I'd tell the shop foreman to contact BMW technical support, I'd wait in the owner's office while they do that, and I'd be discussing with the owner why this is necessary for such a mundane procedure.
Sep 23rd, 2006 12:13 pm
mark5lam
7.0?...I don't know

I don't know what to think now.
I took my KS into the dealer yesterday to have the 7.0 installed from 6.0.
I stood in the bay with the tech and watched him hook up the bike and run all the diagnostics. He checked the software and all systems. According the computer, nothing needed to be done and he could not make it install any 7.0 software or upgrade the engine management system.
Hummm? I watched him perform all the tests for about an hour. Never once did I see anything on the screen or the print outs that indicated any updates were made to anything.
Now I have no way of confidently knowing exactly what software version is installed on my bike.
Sep 14th, 2006 10:22 am
eljeffe BTW, we still have the poll running on experiences with 7.0

http://www.k-bikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6354
Sep 14th, 2006 1:59 am
supervulture Just got back from that ride... heh.

It's a vast improvement, no doubt. I want to say "night and day" difference, but it's not quite that dramatic. Perhaps it will improve more over time (which would rock!!) but it's most definitely a noticeable improvement and the bike's really a joy to ride now.

I ride it like a granny anyway, and so having the low-RPM throttling smoothed out REALLY makes a difference for a rider like me. Besides, I've got to manhandle this beast through NY city streets and having a nonfussy powerband that can go stoplight-to-stoplight without belching and farting is more than an amenity -- it's a necessity.

I'm pretty happy right now

Thanks again for the ECU reset info!
Sep 13th, 2006 10:58 pm
supervulture
Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
Aftermarket intakes and pipes usually make the bike louder, and this includes any sputtering and popping. If properly done they should increase performance some. Some owners report better throttle behavior.

However the main throttle/fueling improvement is the 7.0 software, which you just had installed. Ride it a bit and evaluate this further -- most feedback is positive so far.
Thanks! I'll definitely keep that in mind.

Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
My '06 had the 7.0 update at 5900 miles, and I've put about 1,500 more miles on it since. It was a big improvement in throttle smoothness and predictability. It significantly reduced the popping and burbling on overrun, but didn't totally eliminate it.

If you don't see a major improvement with the 7.0 update, I would question whether the dealer actually performed it. Unfortunately there's no independent way to verify your version without the dealer diagnostic machine. You could speak to the shop foreman and verify 7.0 was actually installed, not 6.0. Software updates are normally automatic when the diagnostic computer is connected, but BMW classifies 7.0 as a "non-mandatory" update, so a manual override procedure is required to force the download. If the technician didn't affirmatively do this, maybe you didn't really get the update.
I live in NYC and I don't take anything at face value. I had the technician show me the print out and matched it to my VIN number

Can't wait to take it out for a ride!
Sep 13th, 2006 10:54 pm
supervulture
Quote:
Originally Posted by sportrider
WTF - Were' waiting on pins and needles here dude...how did you get on with it??? Don't leave us hanging that like..........!
Hehe
I just got in from a 14 hour day of IT hell!

I was walking out the door when i got a call that a server went up in flames and had to blow off plans to ride with a buddy... but after I eat something I'm gonna take her out for a spin and I'll be sure to post back here to let ya'll know how it went
Sep 13th, 2006 8:53 pm
sportrider
Quote:
Originally Posted by supervulture
Thanks for the info.

I'm waiting out the hour long battery disconnect right now...
and I really hope there's an improvement on the other side.

I have another question: I've been browsing the site for a couple weeks and noticed that many of the people who've invested mods into their bikes seem really happy with the changes, and a lot happier [overall] with their modified bikes, compared to the owners of stock machines.

Would performance air cleaners and pipes help smooth out the sputtering/popping during low RPM throttling and generally improve the responsiveness of the throttle, or is it that the guys that throw extra money at their bikes are overlooking these shortcomings in favor of appreciating the bike's other qualities?

Not to say that I'm unhappy -- I love my k1200s -- but it could use a little help!

thanks


WTF - Were' waiting on pins and needles here dude...how did you get on with it??? Don't leave us hanging that like..........!
Sep 13th, 2006 1:02 pm
joema
Quote:
Originally Posted by supervulture
Would performance air cleaners and pipes help smooth out the sputtering/popping during low RPM throttling and generally improve the responsiveness of the throttle...
Aftermarket intakes and pipes usually make the bike louder, and this includes any sputtering and popping. If properly done they should increase performance some. Some owners report better throttle behavior.

However the main throttle/fueling improvement is the 7.0 software, which you just had installed. Ride it a bit and evaluate this further -- most feedback is positive so far.

My '06 had the 7.0 update at 5900 miles, and I've put about 1,500 more miles on it since. It was a big improvement in throttle smoothness and predictability. It significantly reduced the popping and burbling on overrun, but didn't totally eliminate it.

If you don't see a major improvement with the 7.0 update, I would question whether the dealer actually performed it. Unfortunately there's no independent way to verify your version without the dealer diagnostic machine. You could speak to the shop foreman and verify 7.0 was actually installed, not 6.0. Software updates are normally automatic when the diagnostic computer is connected, but BMW classifies 7.0 as a "non-mandatory" update, so a manual override procedure is required to force the download. If the technician didn't affirmatively do this, maybe you didn't really get the update.
Sep 13th, 2006 10:04 am
sportrider
Quote:
Originally Posted by supervulture
Thanks for the info.

I'm waiting out the hour long battery disconnect right now...
and I really hope there's an improvement on the other side.

I have another question: I've been browsing the site for a couple weeks and noticed that many of the people who've invested mods into their bikes seem really happy with the changes, and a lot happier [overall] with their modified bikes, compared to the owners of stock machines.

Would performance air cleaners and pipes help smooth out the sputtering/popping during low RPM throttling and generally improve the responsiveness of the throttle, or is it that the guys that throw extra money at their bikes are overlooking these shortcomings in favor of appreciating the bike's other qualities?

Not to say that I'm unhappy -- I love my k1200s -- but it could use a little help!

thanks
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think the air/pipe mods smoothed anything out - in fact, my backfiring is probably worse with the aftermarket pipe than with a stock pipe...louder anyway.
You lose so much horsepower with the shaft - 167 sounds high, but realistically you probably end up with 145 or less. 170 at the rear wheel is a good number to shoot for with the mods that are available.
If you want to improve handling, I STRONGLY recommend the adjustable torque arm from Evoluzione - totally transformed my bike in the twisties.
I just look at the curves like a 90 degree turn now...
Sep 13th, 2006 10:00 am
eric2 My k1200s is stock. I've wasted a lot of money on aftermarket pipes and such in the past
and all its done is make the bike louder with very little increase in power. My only thoughts
on upgrades at this point are tank bag and Wilbers shocks (I don't have ESA) sometime down the road.

Besides, I haven't found anyone that will blow me away speed-wise with the stock bike,
and the stealth factor is a big plus. Very quiet until you yank the throttle open.


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