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Well, I finally got it installed today...the dealer did it for free...Thank you Blue Moon!

I dunno...seems to be a little more driveable, but the bike still backfires(not quite as bad) - a'h fukit! These beamers ain't all their cracked up to be...!

I'm keeping it though - just will live with the shortcomings and lesson learned.

Hard coming off a silky smooth fast jap bike and then comparing it to the
beamer. BMW took a step up with this bike and their probably thrilled shitless,
but imo, they ain't quite thar' yet!

Now, back to your regurlarly scheduled programming....
 

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Great. I was hoping to hear it fixed your problems too sportrider. What Jap bike did you have before. I am still in the air on what to buy. I have had a number of Yamaha's before and want a drive shaft bike.
 

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John: do the battery disconnect ecu reset thing.. You know what I mean.. I was much happier after I did that and put about 100 miles on the bike.. still not perfect but I'd say the bike is a good 65% better.. still pops a bit but much less ,and overall power seems more linear, and easier to modulate. Not perfect but livable now...

I've left it disco'd overnight and will take it for a test drive...let's see how she does.
 

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Just two things;

(1) I'm still confused as to whether the "learned" management settings acquired by the ECU with one software version eg 6.? is deleted automatically during the change over to 7.? Is there is a rationalisation by the service people that disconnecting the battery and reset / wiping the old patterns is time consuming and not worth the effort. Can someone state with 100% certainty please what is required for the best result with the new software with regard to the deletion of earlier "learned" management patterns / windows.

(2) Does the 7.0 upgrade solve the management issues for all bikes in standard form. Is there only a continuing issue of rough running, backfiring etc with engines using induction and exhaust mods and upgrades. There has to be a limit in ECU adjustment flexibility so are the induction and exhaust mods exceeding the adjustment range.
 

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Virtually all my previously mentioned running probs were solved with the 7.0.. except.. the backfiring issue.. just like yours.. Agreed.. it's not quite there yet, but .. I'm VERY happy..
and I think future software updates will probably address this issue.. The guys working on this stuff hear us complaining.. Trust me..

As for comparing it to virtually ANY Jap bike.. I would agree.. the S is nowhere as silky smooth as any Jap in-line 4, nor does it shift as well as any Jap bike.. and agreed...they ain't quite thar' yet, but BMW elves are still working.. tweaking...

I think these are supposed to be the typically German gremlins that are supposed to be overlooked and/or perhaps..endearing..to us .. the BMW riders of the world. ;-) Don't know about the rest of youz guys but problems or not.. I can't see me NOT owning a BMW as I am addicted to quality..and uniqueness... I NEED more than what the Japanese are putting out.. I wish I could be happy with a Jap bike..!! Really..

I choose to believe that the S will get smoother with time and miles like the K1200RS.. I could be wrong, but even if I'm not.. IMHO this is one helluva motorcycle and I can NOT think of any bike produced by ANY manufacturer that I'd trade it for.. it's definitely worlds better than the venerable K1200S, which I loved..

Sure.. you could buy a Jap bike for 1/2 the $.. but after only 1 year it'd be worth about 1/2 what you paid for it...

P out.. Wonderful weather here today... Heading down to Deals Gap as soon as the fog burns off..
 

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Engine-wise the japanese bikes may lead the pack but the K1200S chassis (Hossack front and ESA) is way ahead of the competition (imo)... There are few bikes out there as nimble and as stable as the K1200S. Plus the brakes are awesome, at least as good as those on my old RSV if not better!
 

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Hass... "nimble" is NOT an adjective I'd use when describing the S... Perhaps.. nimble for a bike with it's loooooong wheelbase...and over complicated suspention.

I got smoked in some VERY tight twisties a few days ago by a lowly R6 AND a Honda 650 something or other... by guys that I regularly trounce on my 750 MV.... now THOSE bikes are nimble..

The Deals Gap Rally is just a few weeks away and I can't wait but no way I'll take my K1200S on the Dragon..or if I do.. I'll just be sight-seeing. Simply too long and heavy for "serious" blasting on a road so tight.. Others may disagree..

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There are few bikes out there as nimble and as stable as the K1200S. Plus the brakes are awesome, at least as good as those on my old RSV if not better!
 

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I got smoked in some VERY tight twisties a few days ago by a lowly R6 AND a Honda 650 something or other... by guys that I regularly trounce on my 750 MV.... now THOSE bikes are nimble..
IMHO, not a correct comparison.
Apples to apples. :))
 

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I'm leaning towards a new CBR1000RR for the sports stuff and if the S does not cut it for me, then I'll trade it for a R1200GS next year...I used to despise the old GS bikes, but I've really taken a liking to them over the last year.

And they come in Granite Grey!:)

I think it would be fun to just take off and explore some old logging roads in North Georgia with it.

I was at the Honda dealer today - they had a new CBR fitted with a Yosh full system/power commander and we started it up in the showroom - sounds really really sweet, probably a full Akrapovic would be even better - a Black CBR 1000 RR with polished aluminum rims and other bits and pieces get's my blood flowing. They offered me a test ride....couldn't do it today, but next week, I might take one for a spin.
 

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The Deals Gap Rally is just a few weeks away and I can't wait but no way I'll take my K1200S on the Dragon..or if I do.. I'll just be sight-seeing. Simply too long and heavy for "serious" blasting on a road so tight.. Others may disagree..
Jerry, here's me on my K12S at Deal's Gap a few weeks ago. It did fine. I'm not a great rider but moved along briskly. Not flickable as an R6, but I did Deal's Gap at a spirited pace and rode 400 miles back in one day without pain, which is more than a friend on a Ducati 748 could say :)
 

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got my 7.0 too

...and rode home the long way around, about 75 miles or so. No problems to speak of before the install, but it does seem smoother on the bottom end of the torque band. Power delivery is linear as mentioned here before and there's a slight gurgling backfire on hard decellarations but that's not an issue. Like Jerry so succintly stated, I too am very happy with the update and the bike in general, and I too can not see myself replacing it with anything else. Might get another bike someday and maybe someday soon, but if history repeats itself as it always has for me, it'll be made of German steel and German plastic. You guys sitting on the fence regarding the update I say just do it!
 

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Jerry, here's me on my K12S at Deal's Gap a few weeks ago. It did fine. I'm not a great rider but moved along briskly. Not flickable as an R6, but I did Deal's Gap at a spirited pace and rode 400 miles back in one day without pain, which is more than a friend on a Ducati 748 could say
Going to be at the Gap on the 23 of this month with my KR. Can't wait. Thanks for the pictures.
 

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o.k. the ECU reset procedure did make a difference - it is better around town now.

I don't think it's quite as potent as it was when 5.3 was in it - went to my favororite "wheelie hill" today and couldn't bring the front wheel up in 1st gear power wheelies like I could before...excellent "sports tourer", but it ain't no sportbike.

I think it will be my highway/weekend machine, but there's better choices out
there for carving the twisties.


I will resign as a moderator on Monday - I can't honestly represent the bike as
it was marketed.

But, I do still love the looks and I love the handling - as for the performance, I'll be quiet.
 

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............I do still love the looks and I love the handling - as for the performance, I'll be quiet.
Have you considered the Dimsport Rapidbike management modules as a way to solve your dissatisfaction. http://www.dimsport.com/index.htm

Both Dimsport and Ken at Evoluzione have maps for the K1200S which can be adjusted and tailored to suit. My strongest suspicion is that BMW are significantly constrained by bullshit emission controls to such a degree that the engine is not allowed to perform to its potential. Some owners are satisfied but if BMW produced an "Off Road Map" - with low speed manners - then there would be an easy solution for all stake holders.

(Don't get me started on the politics of "easy targeting" the emissions of highly efficient motorcycle engines when coal fired power generation produces the vast majority of greenhouse gasses. Solar power, hydrogen and perhaps charged liquid vanadium offer real alternatives but millions will be growing gills before the politicians get off their arses)
 

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I put a poll up in "surveys and Polls" so that you can record your results with the update.
 

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I think our expectation of the K1200S is too high because it is a BMW. If it has been an Italian bike, we'd call it "character" and still happy with it. FWIW, I am still on version 5 S/W because my dealer advised me against putting on version 6. That was over half a year ago and I am glad I listened to him, now that I see people complain about version 6. Coming from a Honda and Ducati, I don't have much to complain about the K1200S (2006 spec). It is the perfect all-rounder for me. May be it's just me :)
 

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But, I do still love the looks and I love the handling - as for the performance, I'll be quiet.
Ouch. But, I'd probably have to agree.
I would be interested to see what bike you end up with.
 

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I took it for a good ride today - it is definately smoother, shifts better and the engine braking is back.

It's lost the "kicK" it had when 5.whatever was in it and it still backfires a bit.

Not perfect, but a step forward instaed of a step back that 6.whatever had.

Not a seat of the pants full blown sportbike, but I think it is a good sport-tourer - that's the category I'd put it in.

Creature comforts + good handling and decent power.
 

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The question remains - is the bike being underrated because of emission control that could be rectified by Dimsport or perhaps Techlusion engine management modules. Has anyone fitted an aftermarket management system. Power Commanders for the K1200S are a non event - I don't think it is a commercial proposition for the manufacturers of the PC but it appears the Dimsport has more functionality anyway. Perhaps go around the "obstacle" ?
 
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