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I know, some people can't stand the show.

Some people say the bikes Paul Teutel creates are ugly and amateurish.

IMO, those people are the HATERS that have never used a mallet to pound out metal or welded or try to create something out of nothing. Some of his bikes were inspiring. For me at least.

I definitely would say I watched the show 75% for the bikes and the fabrication and 25% for the characters and the drama.

It's too bad about the cancellation. But since the split between Sr. and Jr., the quality of the bikes were getting not so good. So I was watching less and less. Still I would rather watch that then some reality tv show or crime drama. Oh wait, I guess it was part reality tv. :popcorn:

The Liberty Chopper blew me away how many years ago...

 

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The term "reality TV" is an oxymoron. I can't wait until that fad dies. Personally have no idea how that show lasted as long as it did. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the only bikes I think that are uglier than OCC bikes are Arlen Ness bikes. I have seen very nice choppers that I respect, so it isn't a style issue, it is an UGLY issue. I have seen several OCC bikes up close (I have run several fab shops and factories and built several custom race bikes myself - I know what good fabrication quality is) and the quality is deplorable. I went with my entire weld crew once to see the Miller bike and told them there on the spot, if they EVER welded that bad I would fire them. That bike actually broke from the vibration of riding in the air ride trailer it was in and had to be repaired before they rolled it out to show. :yeow: The paint was amazing .. but then, they didn't do the paint so maybe the show should have been about the paint shops they used instead.

Sorry for your loss, thank god we may actually get something worthwhile in its place. (not holding my breath on that tho - it is still TV)
 

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I know, some people can't stand the show.

Some people say the bikes Paul Teutel creates are ugly and amateurish.

IMO, those people are the HATERS that have never used a mallet to pound out metal or welded or try to create something out of nothing. Some of his bikes were inspiring. For me at least.

I definitely would say I watched the show 75% for the bikes and the fabrication and 25% for the characters and the drama.

It's too bad about the cancellation. But since the split between Sr. and Jr., the quality of the bikes were getting not so good. So I was watching less and less. Still I would rather watch that then some reality tv show or crime drama. Oh wait, I guess it was part reality tv. :popcorn: Im with you JCW.



The Liberty Chopper blew me away how many years ago...

Its about entertainment and they entertained me.
Some of the creations were amazing, I dont think that there was a criteria for ride quality just wank value and they hit an 11 out of 10 for some of those bikes.
Some of those bikes were masterpieces, works of art!
I would watch an OCC episode over a Seinfeld or Friends episode anyday and I know who got paid more.
Quality bikes? definetely not, entertainment? absofukinlutely!
 

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The show started with unique custom builds and a dose of "shock" reality TV, that
most people doubted as real. Once the "shock" part wore thin, and Sr. & Jr. went
their different ways, the show kinda lost some of its "edge".

As a fan of all bikes, I did enjoy the builds, and hell who would not like to have a stable like
that. :D

I found the show mildly entertaining most of the time, but it focused too much on the
characters and not the bikes and technologies in the shop.

All in all :clap:
 

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The show went from hand peen hard work and sweat..to an assembly line copy and paste make it fit soap opera...
 

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(I have run several fab shops and factories and built several custom race bikes myself - I know what good fabrication quality is)
Let's see YOUR work and see if everyone loves it. Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder.

Internet trash talk is cheap. Put it up!!! :teeth I bet you won't.

OK maybe they weren't competent welders. Never said they were. It was the process that fascinated me.

Besides, in my book, rolling a handformed tank HAS to be respected until I can do it myself.
 

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Let's see YOUR work and see if everyone loves it. Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder.

Internet trash talk is cheap. Put it up!!! :teeth I bet you won't.

OK maybe they weren't competent welders. Never said they were. It was the process that fascinated me.

Besides, in my book, rolling a handformed tank HAS to be respected until I can do it myself.
Really JCW? Pretty childish, nice job. You made the douchebag list. Didn't have to come to this, I said my comment was a personal opinion and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder - did not pass judgment on your choice or you as a person, but since you are such an ass:

If you live on the east coast and drive across a bridge that has a movable barrier system and the machine that moves it, you have seen my work. In San Diego on the Coronado Bridge, you have seen my work. If you live in Dallas , Boston, New York, Puerto Rico, Hawaii ... you have seen my work. There are also light rail vehicles all over the country, Portland, Houston, Salt Lake City, Puerto Rico, and more that have my stamp on them. Not only do I build quality products, but they actually have to be certified as safe and functional. What I build is a hell of a lot more useful to the general public than a piece crap show bike that gets ridden once or twice and then put on display. What I build doesn't fall apart on it's way to just go on static display. I learned along time ago not to talk shit unless you have earned the right - I have earned the right and will call a poorly built piece of machinery when I see. I am qualified to do so. The fact that your amateurish skills are entertained by the crap they produced says plenty. Not only will I put up, I already have. Multiple times.

As far as not loving what I built? I don't give a fuck whether you or anyone else loves it - since I have had my drivers in Dallas shot at because we built the movable barrier system to help traffic flow better, I am familiar with negativity toward my products and handle it just fine.

And as far as internet trash talk being cheap - you proved that in spades.
 

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Really JCW? Pretty childish, nice job. You made the douchebag list. Didn't have to come to this, I said my comment was a personal opinion and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder - did not pass judgment on your choice or you as a person, but since you are such an ass:

If you live on the east coast and drive across a bridge that has a movable barrier system and the machine that moves it, you have seen my work. In San Diego on the Coronado Bridge, you have seen my work. If you live in Dallas , Boston, New York, Puerto Rico, Hawaii ... you have seen my work. There are also light rail vehicles all over the country, Portland, Houston, Salt Lake City, Puerto Rico, and more that have my stamp on them. Not only do I build quality products, but they actually have to be certified as safe and functional. What I build is a hell of a lot more useful to the general public than a piece crap show bike that gets ridden once or twice and then put on display. What I build doesn't fall apart on it's way to just go on static display. I learned along time ago not to talk shit unless you have earned the right - I have earned the right and will call a poorly built piece of machinery when I see. I am qualified to do so. The fact that your amateurish skills are entertained by the crap they produced says plenty. Not only will I put up, I already have. Multiple times.

As far as not loving what I built? I don't give a fuck whether you or anyone else loves it - since I have had my drivers in Dallas shot at because we built the movable barrier system to help traffic flow better, I am familiar with negativity toward my products and handle it just fine.

And as far as internet trash talk being cheap - you proved that in spades.
So much hate you bring to this thread. You started the bashing, not me. All I did was start a thread about a show that inspired me. :dunno:

Then you thumped your chest saying someone's work sucked and you're the expert.

I still have no idea what you do. Make movable barriers or build motorcycles.

I have no negative feelings toward movable barrier makers and have no idea what you meant by that.

BTW, I feel honored to make your douchebag list. The hate you have, it must be a mile long. Thanks. :clap:
 

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You made a comment, I voiced my opinion, but since my opinion did not mesh with yours, you need to call me out to producing my work in comparison. I said I ran fab shops ... you even quoted it, you still don't know what I do? Is that how you are trying to get around that I called your bluff and "put it up"? Here is a tip ... I fabricate and build things ... of all shapes and sizes.

Thumped my chest? I am "THE" expert? There you go starting to lie to weasel your way out. The quote was .. scroll down to read it now ... I said I am QUALIFIED. Do you know what that word means? I will even type it again - slowly this time just for you, the quality of their work sucks and based on my experience, and background - I am qualified to say that. Period. When you start to misquote and lie to try and defend yourself, you have already lost.

And you actually don't know what I meant about negative feeling towards my work? Did you not ask to see if everyone LOVED my work? Really? You bring it up and then you missed that too?

Hate, yes I despise people like you that say something inanely stupid and then start to lie to get out of it instead of just fessing up like a man and deal with it.

Glad you enjoyed the show, again sorry for your loss. I am not weeping over it and am thankfully it has finally died. I will move along now to more interesting posts.
 

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OK... now that he's gone. :D

Back to the topic.

But really. I don't understand why people have to tear people down for simply doing something they have a passion for.

I respect the OCC guys for that.

I don't disrespect the guy above or the work he does. How can I? :dunno:
 

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Have to admit.. I agree with CRASH 100%... Never saw a single bike those guys made that was even in the same league as a Russell Mitchell, Billy Lane, Chica, or Roger Bourget... Those guys are true artists... The Teutels... not so much. My 2 doubloons.

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Personally have no idea how that show lasted as long as it did. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the only bikes I think that are uglier than OCC bikes are Arlen Ness bikes.
 

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No, I agree. They weren't the greatest choppers ever made. Not close. But they didn't have to be to be inspiring. Artists or not, they were inspirational for many.

POW/MIA
NY JETS
Snap on
Lance Armstrong
Lincoln
NAPA
Wendy's
Bill Murray
Make a Wish
Intel
Army National Guard
Klipsch
Craftsman
Giants
AMG
Dodge Ram
Ringling Bros
Army
Air Force
LearJet
Reeve Foundation


And the list goes on and on and on...

How many of us has been asked to create something to represent a brand? Not to mention the dozens and dozens they've been asked to do. (oh wait, I did mention them didn't I?)

I'll give them credit where credit is due. And IMO unless you've created a bike out of sheet metal and tools, the criticisms, while your opinions, are kinda hollow. I keep coming back to this.

Yes, I can say I don't like something. But I'm also intelligent enough to respect the process and the creativity and the work involved.

I can read a book, watch a movie or look at a painting and realize it isn't Shakespeare or Hitchcock or Renoir, but still respect the creator.
 

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They're just a disfunctional family who would still be making wrought iron balcony rigs if the Discovery Channel had never found them.

Pirate and Crash nailed it.

When they went CAD, CNC, and outsourced all the real work, it became a show about two egos grandstanding in front of the cameras.

Who gives a fuck?
 

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Apparently not enough... :rotf:
I gave "a fuck," a little. :rolleyes:

I thought they did more work inhouse as the series went on.

They used to outsource seats and paint. Purchase wheels, etc. Now they have an inhouse painter and makes parts like tanks and seats themselves. The CNC stuff is pretty incredible to me. CNC'ing and waterjetting small and large parts. Even wheels.

It'so easy to hate on the internet. Sit at the keyboard and pass judgement. It's an issue with these forums in general. It's cooler to hate than to support. Make me ill. :(
 

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It'so easy to hate on the internet. Sit at the keyboard and pass judgement. It's an issue with these forums in general. It's cooler to hate than to support. Make me ill. :(

I totally agree

Heck they made a shit load of cash from their show....who's the fool? :popcorn:
 

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Have to admit.. I agree with CRASH 100%... Never saw a single bike those guys made that was even in the same league as a Russell Mitchell, Billy Lane, Chica, or Roger Bourget... Those guys are true artists... The Teutels... not so much. My 2 doubloons.
How unfortunate u agree with a poster such as Crash, kinda ironic how his attitude and ego are an example
of how American Chopper got its fame. Big attitude and fighting made
OCC famous, perhaps he could start his own reality show, with bridge building and bitching. :rotf:

Seriously tho, because the show was about motorcycles, good or bad,
it entertained, thats what it was meant to do. Hell I don't think I could ride one for more 5 minutes without my back giving out. :D
 

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Good riddance to a show that has the social value of the Real Housewives of Orange County Choppers. :rotf:
 

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Good riddance to a show that has the social value of the Real Housewives of Orange County Choppers. :rotf:
I loved it, the staged fighting wore a little thin but I didnt realise that i should have been looking for entertainment with real social values.
If social moral values is what TV entertainment is about im sure someone is still running some Mary Tyler-Moore or Bill Cosby for you :teeth
Its easy to rip down tall poppies and find fault but the line "look at the scoreboard" we use here is whats relevent in this debate. These guys like em or not are extremely succesful at doing something that they love and the world "generaly speaking" loved it.
I think that the Tuetels were the winners and daylight a very long second.
Why is that less valuable because Discovery found them and ran with it?
I cant wait for a discovery series about road barriers with excellent welding.
 

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Oh shush! Can't you tell I'm trying to get JCW to :boom:
 
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