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25,000klm or 15,000 miles and im currently having my second FD replaced.
The first one presented with about an inch of lateral movement at the back wheel when I was about 1300 miles from home and having only done 6,000 miles.
Last Saturday I was giving her a wash and did my normal tyre inspection while I was working her over with the chamois and got a sick feeling in the guts when I gave the back wheel a spin and heard an awful rumble.
Its quite amazing how conditioned one can become to failures on these bikes. When my last one failed and stranded me while on holidays i was outraged by the shoulder shrugging attitude of the dealer that repaired her.
This time I am actually finding positives in the fact that it didnt strand me and that I discovered it 4 weeks before my extended warranty expires.
I was actually joking with my local dealer yesterday that perhaps BMW could make FD's a service item.
Here in OZ service intervals are every 10,000klms. My first one failed at 9,800ks or 1st service and this one at 24,600klms not far from the second service.
If it wasnt so fuc#&n serious it would be funny :boom:

P.S. yes the oil was changed 1000klms after it was fitted.
 

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Hey Andrew, get an independent BMW place to give your bike the once over prior to the warranty expiration, and take any concerns back to the dealership for warranty support.
I learnt this little trick after my new VW van needed a rego change from ACT to QLD. The independent roadworthy identified a number of minor issues and a major leak that I knew nothing of, and the VW dealership had to honour all the issues.

Best wishes mate.

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Just curious, but have they ever told you what actually fails?

When you rotated the wheel this time, did it feel loose or just rumble? First thoughts are always the wheel shaft bearing, but it gets more sinister if the pinion shaft can somehow work loose.

I agree it is not funny. At speeds, a rear drive lockup can spill you all over the road.



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Hey Andrew, get an independent BMW place to give your bike the once over prior to the warranty expiration, and take any concerns back to the dealership for warranty support.
I learnt this little trick after my new VW van needed a rego change from ACT to QLD. The independent roadworthy identified a number of minor issues and a major leak that I knew nothing of, and the VW dealership had to honour all the issues.

Best wishes mate.

Ken
Cheers Ken, good idea. Problem is I doubt that I will get her back much before it expires if at all. As usual nil stock in OZ, coming from the fatherland.
 

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Just curious, but have they ever told you what actually fails?

When you rotated the wheel this time, did it feel loose or just rumble? First thoughts are always the wheel shaft bearing, but it gets more sinister if the pinion shaft can somehow work loose.

I agree it is not funny. At speeds, a rear drive lockup can spill you all over the road.
Hey Vox. no loosenes this time. None.
Just a very grumbly bearing.
This time and last time no oil leaking at all.
 

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Any chance you could get to see the insides of it before they give it back to Germany? Might lead to a heads up on what part actually failed like chromium coming off a ball and locking the race causing the cage rivets to split.

Around March I need to drain mine again and send the oil into Blackstone since the oil had an abnormal amount of chromium in it pointing to the damn ball bearing wearing off their coating. Not happy about the report, but at least they gave me a warning of what is going on.

A little rim wiggle goes a long way in sensing an impending failure.


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Man that sucks. Too bad it happened again but at least you weren't stranded this time. It's amazing to me that they haven't figured this situation out yet. Maybe a class action law suite, but some one would have to initiate it. Just seems all too common. And now on your second one. I give you credit for sticking with it. You guys that have been through multiples. I would have sold the bike after the second one.

Guess I'm running on pure luck as I'm 40k plus and all is well on the original. Reading about these on a regular basis though make me paranoid as hell. Going to be interesting to see if the 13's fair as well as the 12's. Time will tell.

You know just as an after though I went back and looked at the final drive poll here. It would be real interesting to do another, or modify the existing one to include the 09's /13's and later and also add a mileage indicator. Not sure it can be done with a poll though.

So Mr. Meese or Grif....is that possible?
 

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GMack said:
SNIP...
Around March I need to drain mine again and send the oil into Blackstone since the oil had an abnormal amount of chromium in it pointing to the damn ball bearing wearing off their coating. Not happy about the report, but at least they gave me a warning of what is going on.

A little rim wiggle goes a long way in sensing an impending failure.


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Mack,
Was this the first analysis after installation? If so - it might be final "polishing" of the surfaces post manufacturing process.
Most ball bearings and races are made of a steel with a high chrome content and are not chrome coated. Was there a fairly high iron and nickel content as well in the sample?
If the trend continues that would indicate wear of either the ball and/or race and not the stamped cage as that is typically plain steel or brass.
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Mack,
Was this the first analysis after installation? If so - it might be final "polishing" of the surfaces post manufacturing process.
Most ball bearings and races are made of a steel with a high chrome content and are not chrome coated. Was there a fairly high iron and nickel content as well in the sample?
If the trend continues that would indicate wear of either the ball and/or race and not the stamped cage as that is typically plain steel or brass.
Regards,
Bill
It was the second or third out before I sent a sample in. Their first "Never needs to be changed stuff" came out around 1000 miles and was all gray with moly paste which I guess was their "magic mileage tonic" then.

It was about 6 months later when I changed it again (I usually do it annually along with the oil and maybe a tire switch since it's easy to do then) that I sent both engine and final oil in for analysis. Engine came back with minimal break-in stuff remaining in the oil and said I could stretch the interval to maybe 7000 miles (Amsoil was in it). The final's was a red flag to them and they want another sample soon so I'm waiting until I get ready to toss on some rear tire and later winter maybe. There were other high contents, but the chromium was the highest and maybe something else too. Can't recall offhand.

Aside, someone mentioned today that the latest BMW MON (or whatever it's called) has an article about the BMW engines now being made in China too. He didn't say if it was the boxer or the K or Rotax though. Anyone see that article? Sort of bugs me as I just had a bad experience with some Chinese rubber at work that only lasted 6 months and is now split.


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According to Wikipedia the smaller G-series engines are made there:

The 450 cc engines are manufactured by Kymco in Taiwan.
The 650 cc engines are manufactured by Loncin Holdings, Ltd in China.
 

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Geez mate get it fixed and get rid of it. Enough is enough!!! I still need a beta tester for a 13GT you know. My dealer tells me they will be getting a demo before Christmas so get a move on please.(LOL) We have a bunch of Yank Thunderbird boys and girls in town at the moment for the airshow on Saturday, never know one might be dumb enough to buy it.(LOL) They were unloading one of their big transports on Tuesday and the first things out were a few generals golf clubs. The 8 F16's lined up out at the airport look impressive though. Bit dirty today however.

How about that dust storm, looked unreal down your way. We have the remnants up here at the moment. Nothing like what you have had though.

Pity about the safari. If I ride down might drop in if welcome and you haven't headed south.

Cheers
 

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Geez mate get it fixed and get rid of it. Enough is enough!!! I still need a beta tester for a 13GT you know. My dealer tells me they will be getting a demo before Christmas so get a move on please.(LOL) We have a bunch of Yank Thunderbird boys and girls in town at the moment for the airshow on Saturday, never know one might be dumb enough to buy it.(LOL) They were unloading one of their big transports on Tuesday and the first things out were a few generals golf clubs. The 8 F16's lined up out at the airport look impressive though. Bit dirty today however.

How about that dust storm, looked unreal down your way. We have the remnants up here at the moment. Nothing like what you have had though.

Pity about the safari. If I ride down might drop in if welcome and you haven't headed south.

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No problem John, just let me know.
I have never riden one but right now If i sold this bike i think that I would be giving an FJR a go. I havent found any FJR sites with failure polls.
 

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Robert_W said:
You know just as an after though I went back and looked at the final drive poll here. It would be real interesting to do another, or modify the existing one to include the 09's /13's and later and also add a mileage indicator. Not sure it can be done with a poll though.

So Mr. Meese or Grif....is that possible?
One other thing...My FD failed long after I'd voted in the poll. So the poll only reflects the results at the time someone voted. How many voted no problems then had a FD failure later on?

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... If i sold this bike i think that I would be giving an FJR a go. I havent found any FJR sites with failure polls.
I think there was some new red Honda VFR1200 Sport Tourer (with bags) in the Alps being road tested recently. I think it was in MCN.

Can't be any worse than the 1300GT, or could it?

One thing about Yammy, if they have a failure like their clutch on the R6 they do fix it and FAST. BMW takes YEARS before they fix something, and often just move to another model while the original problem is swept under the rug (old R's that surged for two model changes before the twin-sparks came out, lost count of final drive failures, stalling on the K's that may never be settled, fueling flat-spots, clutch issues, etc.),

I read about the time difference to change a tire on the sportbikes: Most sportbikes in racing can be changed in 15 seconds in the pits. The new BMW takes 45 seconds. At least BMW's new S1000RR did win once recent race so maybe they'll get their technology to stand up a bit better in the real road. Fingers crossed.


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GMack said:
I think there was some new red Honda VFR1200 Sport Tourer (with bags) in the Alps being road tested recently. I think it was in MCN.

Can't be any worse than the 1300GT, or could it?

One thing about Yammy, if they have a failure like their clutch on the R6 they do fix it and FAST. BMW takes YEARS before they fix something, and often just move to another model while the original problem is swept under the rug (old R's that surged for two model changes before the twin-sparks came out, lost count of final drive failures, stalling on the K's that may never be settled, fueling flat-spots, clutch issues, etc.),

I read about the time difference to change a tire on the sportbikes: Most sportbikes in racing can be changed in 15 seconds in the pits. The new BMW takes 45 seconds. At least BMW's new S1000RR did win once recent race so maybe they'll get their technology to stand up a bit better in the real road. Fingers crossed.


Mack
Dont get me wrong, I love this bike but I have amazed myself at how easily I have settled for what can best be described as a lemon. Its got great functionality, great looks, performance etc and when its going its sensational. But its reliability is crap.
Here is my GT's history:
Purchased in October 2007 with 6000klms.
6,500 klms failed ABS modulator
7,000 klms BBS new airbox
8,000 klms had seat rebuilt so that I could ride for more than an hour without flatted testicles
9,800 klms failed FD
11,500 klms failed brake pad sensors
17,000 klms cam chain tensioner replaced
20,000 klms clutch replaced
24,600 klms 2nd FD failure
I have lived in hope that each repair would be the last but my confidence level is at an all time low.
Like I said, I love riding it but for this sort of money and the brand value that comes with it i should be able expect a piece of quality kit.
 

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GMack said:
I think there was some new red Honda VFR1200 Sport Tourer (with bags) in the Alps being road tested recently. I think it was in MCN.

Can't be any worse than the 1300GT, or could it?

One thing about Yammy, if they have a failure like their clutch on the R6 they do fix it and FAST. BMW takes YEARS before they fix something, and often just move to another model while the original problem is swept under the rug (old R's that surged for two model changes before the twin-sparks came out, lost count of final drive failures, stalling on the K's that may never be settled, fueling flat-spots, clutch issues, etc.),

I read about the time difference to change a tire on the sportbikes: Most sportbikes in racing can be changed in 15 seconds in the pits. The new BMW takes 45 seconds. At least BMW's new S1000RR did win once recent race so maybe they'll get their technology to stand up a bit better in the real road. Fingers crossed.


Mack
Scroll to the bottom of this page. 2010 Honda VFR. Looks alot like a GT. :teeth
http://thekneeslider.com/
 

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Scroll to the bottom of this page. 2010 Honda VFR. Looks alot like a GT. :teeth
http://thekneeslider.com/
hmmm....?

Does bear a resemblance don't it? :dunno:

Must be the same Chinese company building that Honda's final drive too. Eerily similar looking. Honda probably will have a better final drive now that BMW has been that company's beta tester for a while now. :rotf:

Wonder if it will share the same switchgear and clutch? I doubt if Honda wants anything to do with BMW's fabulous idle (or not) control circuit. :D

Some of that fairing (silver wind deflector) looks like the Polaris Vision too.


Mack
 
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