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When I went shopping for the new GT this year, I also looked in the BMW line at the LT and the RT. To me the GT was the hands down winner over the RT and gave me the ability to lux-tour like the LT without the added size and in a more spirited way.

Granted, I am sure that there will always be a place for the LT with a certain demographic, but it sure seems to me that the GT sales will start to eat into the RT - especially at the same price pointing. Further, I think that there is a certain population that would normally have bought an LT that may opt for the GT instead.

I am just wondering if we are maybe seeing the end of the RT as we know it, and will LT sales drop as well?

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I think the RT still has appeal for those who do not like the more agressive ergonomics, and are not interested in the power that the slant-4 platform offers (yes, there are a lot of people out there that think that way, strange as it may be).

The LT is 100% focused on being a 2-up luxury touring machine. There are a lot of us 1-up riders who bought the LT over the RT or previous-generation GT/RS because of the ergonomics and creature comforts. Now that the new GT is out, we've found the bike we've been looking for.

Sure, this will cut into RT and LT sales a bit, especially with the LT slated for a redesign for the 2008 model year. But if you are looking at a 2-up luxury touring machine, the LT and RT are your bikes. If you are riding 1-up and want the best of both the sport and luxury touring world, the new GT is just the ticket.

On a side note, the GT is getting a lot of attention from the FJR1200 and ST1300 community. I know two FJR riders and three ST riders who have made the jump. The biggest praise the ex-FJR owners give it are heat managment and the power. The biggest praise the ex-ST owners give it are high speed stability and the power. It seems to me that BMW has made a better mousetrap (and having had the FJR and ST lessons learned to put into it).
 

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Having owned all three of these BMW models I can agree on certain points of the effect you're talking about.
Many of the died-in-the-wool BMW folks of course don't see any design other than the boxer, being a real BMW.

The LT is truly THE luxo touring bike almost without a doubt, where as the RT is and has been one of the sweetest sport=touring rigs around.

If my 12RT had cruise-control I "may" have not switched to the GT. I don't really need the massive power of the GT, but do enjoy it, and the slightly more relaxed ergos of the RT were more to my liking.

Being a Shopper looking at the new BMW line-up, it'll be alittle tougher decision now, with the GT in the mix.
 

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I agree with the thoughts on the LT. It is a dominant force in the luxury touring segment. But if a new BMW buyer goes into a showroom today, I think that they will have a hard time deciding to buy an RT if a GT is sitting there. At least when all of the design features are shown to them on each bike, and they see the nearly identical price point.

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GT- 2 up

It is mostly a matter of personal preference.
Our previous ride was a 98 KRS. I bought the GT specifically as a 2-up sport tourer. Typical distance for us is 350 - 450 miles per day. Neither my wife or I are small but we found the GT ergonomics to be equivalent to the RT . The power of the GT is better than our KRS and the ease of handling (once you are over 15 mph) is very close to the RT. And as the bags are the same between the 2 bikes (read storage space for the hair dryer) the GT got the nod.

Given our size almost all of the salesmen tried to convince us that the LT was the better mission specific vehicle - but to quote my wife " it did not handle well" - and she definitely was not interested in purchasing one. She definitely prefers the ride of the GT over the LT. She has strictly been a pillon rider for all these years - though she did just finish the Safety Course and now has her permit.

I think for very long distances (800+ per day) the LT would be a better bike - but we don't do those distances. 500 - 550 is the max when we are 2 up.

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bnblazer said:
... I am just wondering if we are maybe seeing the end of the RT as we know it, ...
Interesting question. I know I'll be leaving behind the (1150) RT for the GT. But I really had no interest in the 12RT. If I weren't set on the GT, the other bikes I'd be after are, in order:

- The Yamaha FJR1300 ... probably would already have an 06 in the garage if the new GT hadn't come out this summer.
- Honda ST13 -- if they fix the heat issue in 07, so probably not :confused:
- New Kawasaki sport-tourer rumored to be coming out next year based on the ZX14 (Dealer's a friend of mine and Kawa might just hit a home run with this).

You may be right, but somehow I think the RT will continue to sell. There is something about the boxer that's, well, special. The big news, IMHO, is that BMW has leapfrogged Yamaha and Honda in the 4-cyl, high-performance, sport-touring class. :)
 

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sportrider said:
The boxer fans will never come over to the dark side...they live, drink, eat and
probably have sex with their boxers. Solid motor - can't blame em'!
:rotf: :hysterica
 

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The LT will rise again. Lets face it, it is still on a platform first released in 1999. There will be a totally redesigned LT (I'm told) based upon the slant 4 motor. Once that hits it will be a big success again.

The LT has been one of the best sellers that BMW has ever offered and once the new one is introduced, its sales will likely dwarf those of the GT.

Undoubtedly will pull some Wingers to BMW too.
 

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I agree with what has been said. Some people are die hard boxer fans. Others have been seduced by the power of the K engines.

Something to think about - BMW has been redesigning their entire line of motorcycles. I believe that we have yet to see what they have in mind for the K1200LT. Will it get a total revamp? Or, will it go away like the K1200RS?

All we can do is wait and see.
 

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Was told a couple of weeks ago by my dealer here in Austin that 07 is the last year for the LT. Sales are good here in the US, however, not in Europe. Who knows. It's a great two up long distance touring machine!
 

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Interesting commentary for someone that's trying to decide, 1) keep the 03LT and enjoy, 2) Jump to the 07GT, or 3) wait for the potential LT redesign. I do virtually all one up riding so the GT is looking very good, but its hard to top the LT for long distance. hummm...
 

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Frankly, I rode an LT again while down at CCR. I was reconfirmed that the GT was the right decision for me. The LT just isn't 'sporty' enough for me. It's not F.U.N., it's more like 'pleasurable'. Make sense?
 

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bnblazer said:
I agree with the thoughts on the LT. It is a dominant force in the luxury touring segment. But if a new BMW buyer goes into a showroom today, I think that they will have a hard time deciding to buy an RT if a GT is sitting there. At least when all of the design features are shown to them on each bike, and they see the nearly identical price point.

Brian
Having owned an 04 RT, and 02 LT at the same time (at least for a couple of months until the RT was sold) and now owning a K1200S. I have been missing riding two up with the wife here lately and really really bummed out for passing up on some rides that we could not do because she was with me. I been contemplating a GT, or RT. I love the LT but will not go into one right now with a redesign in the horizon.

But I cannot agree more with the above post. Couple of weeks ago while pricing a well equiped RT against the same equipment on the GT the price difference was $1800. And in my mind the $1800 more for the GT is well worth it since it has:

1- more power
2- a water cooled engine, which to me is more of a piece of mind since I use my bike for commuting.
3- no valve service EVERY 6000 miles, whatever that is crazy.

So I am one of those buyers that is really wondering, the only thing the RT has going for it right now is price (you can get them discounted if you want) and maybe in another month or so some kind of finance deal from NA, which the GT WILL NOT get.

Otherwise I am leaning towards the GT.
 
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