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I am not posting this to stir up a huge debate, but am honestly asking the question. I have had a series of problems w/ this bike, and they just keep coming: ESA, TPM, final drive failure at 18k, dealer incompetence and poorly performed service, BMWNA's lack of response to issues, and now an apparently freak rear wheel 'casting flaw' which requires another warranty fight. I have spent a lot of time dealing w/ fixing issues and not out riding.

Yesterday I went and looked at the FJR and the C14, but what a sacrifice of features that would be. Thus I'm sitting here trying to come up w/ a story to tell myself that will reduce the cognitive dissonance and frustration. Especially from you guys who are still dealing w/ the BBS/HI issues on '06's....how do you put up with it? Fabulous bike when it runs and nothing available like it...BUT what a PITA!

Help me out here gang.
 

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I've been in the very same spot as you.

My Suzuki dealer treats me like I own a friggin' MotoGP bike compared to my experience with BMW. I'm a long time BMW car customer and haven't had any issues with them in the past.

By contrast, their bike side of things makes me feel like I've purchased a used Huffy on ebay. From Zimbabwe.

When the new Connie came out and had all the reviews hitting the newstands and websites, I paid attention.

Heck, I even went so far as to Google Goldwings. GOLDWINGS!!! I had been drinking that night, but still. Actually, I was drinking a lot come to think of it because I even considered a new 'Busa as a touring bikes (hey, some guys make it work!).

Eventually, even though I knew from my initial research when buying the bike, what you said in your email yourself dawned on me - there simply isn't a bike out there like the GT. The Connie has great power, but lacks features that I consider imperative on the GT. My GT is my travel bike. Around town or on the weekends, I hop on the Gixxer or Duc most of the time. I keep the GT limber so she never sits for more than 2 weeks at a time, but honestly I use her for the long trips and there simply isn't (yet) another bike out there that will replace her for -my- touring needs (moderate weight, great power, acceptable comfort, great feature list, great handling).

So far, my only big issue has been the airbox related BS - with a new airbox (and new software coming sometime come hell or high water) I think I'm in the clear. It's a bit sad that my sense of relief in owning this great bike is associated with never having to see the representative dealer ever again, but I'm starting to find that it's not every single dealer in the network that treats us like used Huffy owners - just most of 'em.

All kidding aside, I do find myself pretty madly in love with my GT when she's gotten me someplace totally out of the way, off the beaten path. She feels like a true friend in those moments.

Then she'd high idle and I'd have to file divorce papers again. :boom:

(new airbox = new lease on life!)
 

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I guess I'm lucky so far. 24K and no FD issues. No high idle. The throttle is a bit twitchy, but I found a little clutch helps ease that. I really do love my GT.

I several friends that own C14s and love them, too. Some have added the Audiovox cruise. One has even added heated grips. You can make the Connie and the FJR to be very similiar to the GT, but you have to like adding things that really don't look factory no matter how hard you try.

The one thing they cannot add is ESA. What a dream that is!
 

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Well I suppose these are really issues that you have to decide for yourself if they are worth keeping the bike or not. There do seem to be a higher percentage of this model with problems than other machines but truthfully I'm not sure that any one can put a realistic number on that percentage. Is it 1% or 10% or less than 1%? Also I'm not sure if it's because I only really follow what's going on with the BMW's and the GT in general. I'm sure other bikes have issues too. Remember, this machine has more stuff and technology to break. It's kind of the price we pay for having the best.

I will admit that at times I worry about having spent 20+ grand on a machine that might give me problems but so far, knock on wood, nothing has left me stranded. I've been on beemers for 12 years or so and have had nothing but good experience. I had the box replaced and got new software and it runs great.

Some dealers are great, mine is, some suck. Find another dealer if possible. BMWNA has always been professional to me but then again I've never had a real issue to deal with them. They just want to know if I'm satisfied or not.

Just got back from spending 10 days traveling around the west and the bike was flawless. There's nothing else like it for 1 up touring. The only thing that could make it better is an endless wallet supply and add a GS to the stable. Maybe next year.....on the GS, not the endless wallet!

Sorry for your problems dude. I'd be pissed too. Maybe get a different GT?
 

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I posted this yesterday on the "other" site. I'm not riding it again until they tell me what is wrong.

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=14692
I saw your post today and thought about your careening out of control. Good you were not hurt!

Your post is the reason that I posted this question over on this forum. I am really trying to love the bike, but need some help when it screws up and BMWNA is so lame.
 

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DavidS said:
Fabulous bike when it runs and nothing available like it...BUT what a PITA!
Our expectations of a BMW product is quite a bit higher in the reliability department than what we're getting. Over the past 16 years I have purchased 6 BMW bikes, 5 different models. My expectations are much lower than they were 16 years ago. I believe BMW believes we will buy the features and just live with it.

If we could count on BMW keeping a design in prototype for 3 years with lots of time on the platform, we would get a relatively trouble free bike. However, BMW wants to keep us excited with performance and features. They only have so much engineering time, and I believe they have made some bad calls.

My bike is my daily commuter, and if I had suffered with these issues as some of you had, I think I would have had no choice except to go with another manufacturer with a better reputation. So far I've been lucky with my GT.
 

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I posted this yesterday on the "other" site. I'm not riding it again until they tell me what is wrong.

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=14692

JEBUS!!!!

Fer crying in the sink....

I hope they can tell you what happened and don't just shrug.

It makes me wonder about intent - the fact that they asked you if the bike went down as almost their first reaction. Of course it's good to be concerned, but it almost seems like the answer to that question dictates the seriousness of the reaction they provide. Did he go down? No? Well, okay then. Sucks, but okay. Did he go down? He did?! SHIT! Call the lawyer!

Sigh.

Hope they get you set up and explain what happened so the rest of us don't end up developing a post-new-airbox paranoia. :(
 

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Can you invoke the "Lemon Law""?

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I am not posting this to stir up a huge debate, but am honestly asking the question. I have had a series of problems w/ this bike, and they just keep coming: ESA, TPM, final drive failure at 18k, dealer incompetence and poorly performed service, BMWNA's lack of response to issues, and now an apparently freak rear wheel 'casting flaw' which requires another warranty fight. I have spent a lot of time dealing w/ fixing issues and not out riding.

Yesterday I went and looked at the FJR and the C14, but what a sacrifice of features that would be. Thus I'm sitting here trying to come up w/ a story to tell myself that will reduce the cognitive dissonance and frustration. Especially from you guys who are still dealing w/ the BBS/HI issues on '06's....how do you put up with it? Fabulous bike when it runs and nothing available like it...BUT what a PITA!

Help me out here gang.
It is amazing what you are going through, maybe BMW can take the bike back and give you a new one for a few dollars? i have had a 2007 for 8000 miles w/o any problems at all. Sorry to hear about it -- amybe talk to N.America BMW?
 

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It is amazing what you are going through, maybe BMW can take the bike back and give you a new one for a few dollars? i have had a 2007 for 8000 miles w/o any problems at all. Sorry to hear about it -- amybe talk to N.America BMW?
I have 22K miles on this bike and have talked to BMWNA numerous times, but all to no avail since it is not one problem but a series of them. They do fix the issues, but they keep coming, they keep fixing them, but the down time is pushing me over the edge.
 

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I've been a BMW owner for some time. I have had issues but that hasn't kept me out of the showroom. I've had reliable bikes from other manufacturers but they didn't float my boat and didn't have the features I required. However, with specific features comes increased complexity and cost. To mitigate issues you have to choose where to buy your BMW, and research the service department. With problematic issues, you have to be patient and diplomatic; that works best, especially over the years if you meet the same groups of people.

It's a personal decision but overall you can either put up with things or cut your losses and run. I did that with my Guzzi, but the new owner loved it because I completed the after sale debug session. BMW's are sometimes like that, and reason to sort out issues early before the warranty runs out.

YMMV
 

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JEBUS!!!!

Fer crying in the sink....

I hope they can tell you what happened and don't just shrug.

It makes me wonder about intent - the fact that they asked you if the bike went down as almost their first reaction. Of course it's good to be concerned, but it almost seems like the answer to that question dictates the seriousness of the reaction they provide. Did he go down? No? Well, okay then. Sucks, but okay. Did he go down? He did?! SHIT! Call the lawyer!

Sigh.

Hope they get you set up and explain what happened so the rest of us don't end up developing a post-new-airbox paranoia. :(
I posted this at the other site.

Jim who owns the BMW shop in Omaha called me late yesterday afternoon. He has really stepped up to the plate by saying to have the bike hauled over to his shop today if I want or at my convenience even though they are closed till Tuesday. He has offered me another bike while they go over mine. I said thanks for the bike offer but I don't really need it. I just want you all to know that the Omaha shop is first class.
 

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to David S. There really are not many issues with the new KGT. I have a 2006 that exhibited the BBS when new. I had my dealer update the software and it helped until last summer in hot weather I got BBS & HI. My dealer ( Manhattan BMW,owned by BMWNA) said that the factory was working on a fix and will take cvare of it. Yes, I got the new airbox in November and the bike rides great.
Today, I went on a ride and 3 other bikes were recent k's. None of them have had issues at all. I guess the majority of owners of our new bikes do not have issues. I think that the bike forums bring out the rants of problems people do have. Not enough "satisfied" people look on the net for solutions to "roblems" that don't have. So it looks as if a higher percentage than actual are on these forums.
 

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audiophool said:
I posted this at the other site.

Jim who owns the BMW shop in Omaha called me late yesterday afternoon. He has really stepped up to the plate by saying to have the bike hauled over to his shop today if I want or at my convenience even though they are closed till Tuesday. He has offered me another bike while they go over mine. I said thanks for the bike offer but I don't really need it. I just want you all to know that the Omaha shop is first class.
That is awesome news! Good to hear. :)

Total tangent - I see by your post that you have a 535 - I have a 335i running Procede v2.02. Love it!
 

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I just got back from 915 mi round trip to Birmingham, 2 up, great trip. At 10,600 miles I got the "brake pad indicator light", of course halfway from home.

Brakes looked fine. Checked again in garage at home, plenty of wear left on front and back, must be the kinked wire deal. Will schedule with dealer tuesday, will sort it out and keep plugging on, this bike is fantastic!
 

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I just put the first 1600 miles on my 2008 new-airbox-GT. On word: FLAWLESS!

The previous 2006 HI/BBS, chatter clutch, clunk transmission GT had revealed all her flaws at that mileage. So, I am extremely optimistic that trading her in with only 8000 miles for the'08 was the right, albeit costly, decision.

Additional farkles on the '08: Stebel Nautilus, Zumo550 with XM Radio, BMW Navigator II, Autocom with Bluetooth for the cell phone via Zumo, Centech fuse panel, and 49L top box painted in bike color with electric outlets inside.

I am a happy GT camper, at last!
 

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Additional farkles on the '08: Stebel Nautilus, Zumo550 with XM Radio, BMW Navigator II, Autocom with Bluetooth for the cell phone via Zumo, Centech fuse panel, and 49L top box painted in bike color with electric outlets inside.!
Zumo and a Nav II? A little overkill? :confused: Is there are reason for this? What am I missing?
 

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That is awesome news! Good to hear. :)

Total tangent - I see by your post that you have a 535 - I have a 335i running Procede v2.02. Love it!
A Procede eh? Sweet! I bet it would be great on the new 1 series. Same engine but faster and lighter.
 

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A Procede eh? Sweet! I bet it would be great on the new 1 series. Same engine but faster and lighter.
I thought so too, but the weight difference is apparently not that great now that some real cars are out in the states...somewhere around 75~100lbs between a 135i and 335i manual.

Still, 100lbs is less weight to hustle around though but I prefer the lines of the 3...the 1 is great value but has that pregnant cat underbelly thing going on that I just can't stop staring at. Sort of like the Crossfire in profile looking like a dog having a pooh...once Clarkson made that comparison, I couldn't look at a Crossfire without seeing it.
 

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In Australia the currency conversion rate is 94 aussie cents to the US dollar, however a GT SE is $35,000 here.
Ive had my bike six months and its spent two and a half months of that in a BMW workshop where it is now.
It is really a disgrace in 2008 when we have to lower our expectations in order to feel satisfied with high end goods.
In relation to the members who think that if BMW shortcut appropriate levels of R&D before releasing product it will keep us excited with new product then the reduction in development cost should be evident in the price which it isnt.
I have been married to the same woman for 18 years so I can say without a doubt that riding my GT IS better than sex but unfortunately it requires so much maintainance it is no longer attractive.
My most recent failure being a final drive had me discovering the rear wheel with about an inch of lateral movement at the tyre when i was 800 miles from home and having just been doing some high speed riding in our alpine region. I assume if this went undetected a catostrophic failure would have endangered my life and that is where my sense of humour ran out.
I really, really ,really hope my GT behaves when she comes home this time as its on its final warning, if it lets me down again with anything other than reasonable wear and tear she will be sitting on a Honda or Yamaha used lot. I can live without cruise control to know Ill get there!
 
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