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Of course I have loved most of my bikes. The ST is light, fast, and gets great gas mileage. Not as electric smooth as the K, but at 505lbs wet, it sure seems light. And storage space with full size bags on both sides. I can actually put my tent, thermarest, and sleeping bag in one bag and have the whole other bag available. The lowest I have ever gotten with gas mileage is 43mpg. Normally get 48 - 55 mpg. I thing that is pretty good. BMW got the fuel management down right on this bike. Yes the headlight looks like something from the F-117 Stealth Fighter, but with 2 H-4s it does light up the road nicely. BMW got a lot of things right on this bike. It is just plain fun to ride.
 

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Really like the ST

If I was going to trade in my GT, I would go for the R1200ST. Unlike many others, I feel it is the best looking of all the new models. I haven't test rode any of the new bikes, but sitting on the ST reminds me of my GT. I like the light weight because I always travel two lane roads, and avoid interstates. I can see it as the best curve bike. The 110 hp & lightweight should be plenty to propel me through the twisties. I am sure the new KS & KR are plenty powerful, and they are nice looking, but they just don't do it for me. I like to sport tour, and don't feel they would be that good for touring. I am sure the R/RT would be good but again, feel the ST would suit me better because of the seating position & weight. Don't know what I will think of the new K/GT, will wait & see. Just don't think I need 150 plus hp to sport tour on two lane roads. In my opinion, the new K's just aren't the bike the brick RS/GT's are when it comes to sport touring. I am happy with my 03 GT though, and will probably ride what I got for some time for now.
 

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I picked up my R1200ST March 29 and now is approaching 17,000 miles, truly a fantastic bike. I have added a full Remus system, head pipes and can at the 49er this summer, easly hits the rev limiter in 6th even at 8,000 ft elevation, ran 144.4 at Bonneville, very happy with Pilot Roads and have absolutely no chicken strips. Don't add oil between changes at between 4 and 5,000 miles, used Mobil 1 15/50 Synthetic since 4,700 miles.
 

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We've had our ST since April and really enjoy the bike. I've ridden it some when riding alone, but for the most part it's the two of us, wife on the ST and me on the K-S. I really think the ST has a place on these boards since it does occupy that little niche as a do-it-all sport-tourer.

As we ride togther and stop at different places, it's interesting to notice that the ST seems to get most of the stares. The K-S, I think, while good-looking just doesn't seem to have that Star-Wars quality of the ST. The non-riding public will gaze at the front, study the side and one individual actually touched the headlight (bugs and all!).

At our monthly BMW club meeting last October at the Southsound dealership, we were approached continually with questions by those attending the meeting.

It is kind of funny to me; you'ld think the slightly insane K-S would have captured the more fun and whacky styling rather than it's more mainstream looks. While the ST, which is the pen-ultimate rational motorcycle that does everything so well, sport, tour, errands, you name it might have been blessed with more conventional styling.

I am still amazed when I ride the ST just how wonderful this machine really is; it's just the right weight, just the right suspension, wheelbase, so light at slow speeds, great brakes, terrfic and smooth tranny, and the engine is now the perfect boxer engine with just the right amount of hp, torque, linear run thru the rev range; terrific fuel economy and fuel capacity, those amazing cases, perfect 180 sporttouring rear tire, and the all the adjustibility in the seat, bars, and windscreen. And that windscreen is just the right size and balanced for smooth wind management. And six different and entertaining two-tone color schemes in just the right colors. (I haven't heard anyone say they want a black one with all these choices in colors!)

Interesting, though, with all of its goodness, the bike sells slowly. Why? It's the only boxer with a slightly forward lean - and then there's that styling that everyone on this thread appreciates, but others don't dare consider. And what's really kind of funny is that my wife, who likes the ergos, would like to have the pegs an inch or so further back! But, I do wonder, though, if BMW pricing policy saw the ST at, say, a $2000 discount to the R12RT, how it would fair in the marketplace; especially when you consider that most potential customers interested in a more sporty bike seem to be more frugal than their touring counterparts.

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Hell... I keep seeing familiar faces in forums! :)

But yeah, the ST is the closet bike I've had to my mighty KRS! the way you sit in, the comfort over miles... but it's lighter!

(close to same top speed to! ;) )

Bry
 

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This old R100RS rider could be coaxed to move from my beloved KGT back to this lighter, and just about as fast twin ST. This bike has just about the same power/weight ratio as the GT doesn't it? I've ridden one once at the demo day's last fall. Very sweet handling. I'd like to figure out how to get more time on one with about 6k miles on the ODO to gauge smoothness compared to the 1100-1150 twins. That issue drove me to the butter smooth K12. I also am unsure that I'd want to give up "e-cruise" on those long runs after my GT experience. NO the RT is a poor alternative due to lower back issues.

Looks? The headlight is not my issue. If you view the machine from the side there is an interesting "opening" below the lower part of the fairing between the front of the engine and the front wheel. The missing line from the fairing to the bottom of the engine front bugs me.

Oh well, nothing is perfect. I also dislike the rear view of my GT...
 

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Oh well, nothing is perfect. I also dislike the rear view of my GT...
I'm not thrilled with rear view of my GT either, with the bags off anyway (which is how I ride it 95% of the time). Reminds me of a lion with a large mane. I guess the "mane" does offer some wind and weather protection but I never felt I needed it when riding my old VFR....and don't really think I need it now. Should have a front more like the S....in terms of width anyway.

Love the looks of the bike from all other angles tho.


About the ST, I quite like the bike except for those funny looking metal things sticking out of the sides :)
 

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Rumor is true

The rumor is true. No more R1200ST in North America. (Not sure about the rest of the world) It's a shame since this is one great bike. Don't think BMW gave it enough time to develop a following. Will definitely be a collectible.
 

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The rumor about the ST is false. I contacted BMW North America about it, and here is the response:

Dear Mr. Chick:

Thank you for contacting BMW Motorrad USA. We appreciate your enthusiasm for our products and are pleased to read your R 1200 ST is serving you so well.

We are pleased to confirm BMW has no plans to discontinue this model at this time. The R 1200 ST was recently released with its sibling, the R 1200 RT, as new models in 2005. This bike is intended to fill the gap of the Sport Touring category which was left with the discontinuation of the R 1150 RS. We hope this information helps and appreciate your business.

If you have any further questions, please respond to this e-mail or contact the Customer Relations and Services Department at 1-800-831-1117. Our office hours are Monday through Friday from 9:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M., Eastern Standard Time.

Regards,
BMW Motorrad USA
 

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Chick said:
The rumor about the ST is false. I contacted BMW North America about it, and here is the response:

Dear Mr. Chick:

Thank you for contacting BMW Motorrad USA. We appreciate your enthusiasm for our products and are pleased to read your R 1200 ST is serving you so well.

We are pleased to confirm BMW has no plans to discontinue this model at this time. The R 1200 ST was recently released with its sibling, the R 1200 RT, as new models in 2005. This bike is intended to fill the gap of the Sport Touring category which was left with the discontinuation of the R 1150 RS. We hope this information helps and appreciate your business.

If you have any further questions, please respond to this e-mail or contact the Customer Relations and Services Department at 1-800-831-1117. Our office hours are Monday through Friday from 9:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M., Eastern Standard Time.

Regards,
BMW Motorrad USA
Great news. This is SUCH a great bike.
 

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I have a K12GT (which I am very satisfied with) - but would without any doubt choose the R-ST when I in a couple of years can afford a new bike. Therefore I am happy it is continued.

Hopefully the ST will have a face lift then - maybe a better looking front.

/Michael
 

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I have a K12GT (which I am very satisfied with) - but would without any doubt choose the R-ST when I in a couple of years can afford a new bike. Therefore I am happy it is continued.

Hopefully the ST will have a face lift then - maybe a better looking front.

/Michael
Michael I agree with your KGT comments...

The front doesn't bother me as much as the lack of a Cruise Control option. I know more weight. But, much better for the wrists on that cross country to the next sport area.
 

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Chick said:
The rumor about the ST is false. I contacted BMW North America about it, and here is the response:

Dear Mr. Chick:

Thank you for contacting BMW Motorrad USA. We appreciate your enthusiasm for our products and are pleased to read your R 1200 ST is serving you so well.

We are pleased to confirm BMW has no plans to discontinue this model at this time. The R 1200 ST was recently released with its sibling, the R 1200 RT, as new models in 2005. This bike is intended to fill the gap of the Sport Touring category which was left with the discontinuation of the R 1150 RS. We hope this information helps and appreciate your business.

If you have any further questions, please respond to this e-mail or contact the Customer Relations and Services Department at 1-800-831-1117. Our office hours are Monday through Friday from 9:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M., Eastern Standard Time.

Regards,
BMW Motorrad USA
I wonder why this message is not being communicated to US dealers? I had an '06 ST on order and after several months of pestering my dealer, they told me that ST production was "on hold" until August '06. They later came back and told me that they had been told "unofficially" that the ST was being discontinued. In any event, they claim they can't currently place a confirmed order for one.

I'm going to call the BMW number listed in the response tomorrow and see if they will provide any clarification as to when the ST production will pick back up. Depending on their response, I may be having a conversation with my dealer tomorrow afternoon. (I'm not too hopeful that I'm going to get much info from BMW but I figure it' worth a shot...)
 

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I wonder why this message is not being communicated to US dealers? I had an '06 ST on order and after several months of pestering my dealer, they told me that ST production was "on hold" until August '06. They later came back and told me that they had been told "unofficially" that the ST was being discontinued. In any event, they claim they can't currently place a confirmed order for one.

I'm going to call the BMW number listed in the response tomorrow and see if they will provide any clarification as to when the ST production will pick back up. Depending on their response, I may be having a conversation with my dealer tomorrow afternoon. (I'm not too hopeful that I'm going to get much info from BMW but I figure it' worth a shot...)
Uh, wait just a minute, here, Tow Jam. I'm blazely reading along in your post and what do I see at the bottom? '06 R12RT? First of all, a big congratulations if this is correct. the RT is a neat bike and the one I'm trying to convince my R11RT riding brother-in-law into getting. What color? My bro-in-law would look good in red. But, your post almost sounds like your dealer told you there weren't no '06 ST's and twisted your arm into an RT?

The August thing is what they do now. They do runs, it seems, and the '06 run was for a few hundred ST's; assuming that will hold until the following model year comes up. Your dealer needed to do an "order" for one or more ST's. My dealer has one on "order' and says it will come with esa as an option for the coming year and will be built in the same colors as the '05's; but this is the same for the K-S's as well; I'm told. He, the dealer, didn't know at this point whether the new, brighter instrument read-out or the B.C. would be available on the ST as it is on the '06 K-S.

You know, I put all this confusion right at the feet of BMW USA. Their website is totally misleading in all aspects of model year for all the current bikes. They really need to clean up their act and specifcally state which '06's are available rather than solely trying to run sales on '04's and '05' and clean out their inventory of these bikes. Clearly BMW AG would not go to all the trouble and expense to roll out these neat R12 iterations, only to cancel one or more of them almost immediately after their roll-out just this past spring; at least I hope they are not that fickle!

The ST, by the way, was never meant to sell in the numbers (at least in the U.S.) that the RT is scheduled to produce. 600, I believe for '05 and probably a similar number for '06, while the RT is right up there for about 3500 in the U.S.

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Miles,

You read correctly. I'm now on an '06 RT. No dealer strong-arming at all. I just gave the RT a harder look after my '06 ST order was canceled. The RT has by far and away exceeded my expectations with regards to handling/performance and rider comfort. That said, I still would be interested in a little less weight and plastic so if the ST production picks back up in August, I'll be seriously considering move over from the RT. Of course by that time, "Booger" (my RT) and I may be inseparable. :)

On a side note, I called into BMWNA this afternoon and left a message for someone to contact me regarding the ST production situation. I was told by the automated attendant that someone would return my call "within one business day". We shall see....
 

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Miles_Miller said:
You know, I put all this confusion right at the feet of BMW USA. Their website is totally misleading in all aspects of model year for all the current bikes. They really need to clean up their act and specifcally state which '06's are available rather than solely trying to run sales on '04's and '05' and clean out their inventory of these bikes.
Totally agreed. I guess with <2% of the total US motorcycle market, the motorrad company doesn't feel it's worth the time to keep the product and price info updated. :mad:
 
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