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Looking for advice...is the K12GT for me?

I'm shopping for a used sport touring bike (having sold my '02 Concours last summer), and have been looking (online) at RT 1150's. Came across an '03 K12GT for about $7K (with ~10K miles) and I'm considering it.

- Is this a decent year?

- Worth spending more for the newer engine version?

About me: I have crossed the US once, plus done Nova Scotia - so I like touring. Rode an RT 1150 for a day (trading off with a friend) and liked the bike; particularly the low COG. Three things I disliked about the Concours: high COG, heavy, and vibrated too much at highway speeds.

BTW, I've had lots of bikes over the years - mostly sport bikes, including several Ducati's. I do all my own wrenching (and I'm restoring a 1970 Guzzi Ambassador at present).

I'm mid fifties now, and pretty new to MC touring. Fine handling, smooth, quiet, comfortable is what I'm looking for.

Test riding a private party used bike is tough, so I'm asking for advice before driving three hours to go look at this K12GT.

- Is it too much like the Concours?

- Is this a decent price?

- Anything to particularly look for?

Many thanks...
 

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2003 was the first year for the K1200GT. It is a smooth running bike with plenty of power. I own a 2004, same bike very little differences between the two years. I have toured the US extensively. The bike is great for all day in the saddle and easily accommodates a passenger. It's got six gears, the 6th is definitely overdrive. Depending on your use of the throttle, you can get between 36 and 50 mpg. The tanks holds approx 5 gallons.

The ABS is great to have as is the electronic cruise control. $7,000 for a 10,000 mile 2003 K1200GT is a good price. It is a very low mileage bike.

The seat (saddle) may not to the liking of you butt. It is adjustable, two positions - high and low. Tires last approximately 7,000 miles.

I think you will like it. It is a good touring machine.
 

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'04 kgt owner

i never rode a concours, but the k has virtually NO vibration. it does, however have a high COG. under 10mph is very clumsy as a result. if u are like me and want +600 mile days, a $500 investment in a russell day-long seat is a necessity. other than that, this thing is a road monster, and will eat miles. good luck. btw, maybe go to a dealer and ride a used kgt. it will give u an idea of what u are getting. also check on the for sale bike for oil misting on engine and clutch seams for the juggernaut seal leak. if there is misting, offer $1500 less, because that's what the dealer will extract from your hip pocket fot the seal job.
 

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Many thanks...

...for the great advice.

Looks as if the '03 KGT has been sold.

I will persevere to find a test ride on one, then decide between it and an RT. I'm on the North Carolina coast, if anyone knows of a local KGT for sale.

Nice forum! :clap:
 

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Considering Kelly Blue Book shows $8,310 for a 2003 GT and the offer is $7,000 I'd say it is a good offer. Trade-in is about $5,800 so it looks like the owner is compromising since a dealer will offer him far less than $7K,.

As mentioned, look for fluid leaks though. BMW seals do tend to harden after 5-6 years and leak. My RT had to have 5 tranny seals changed after about 6 years as 3 were leaking. Some were installed inside-out on the tranny so it was a complete tear down which ended up taking me 3 weeks to complete with the seal searching for Viton replacements along with some BMW updates to mechanical pieces. The catalytic was right under the tranny and cooked them until they almost crumbled.


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Absolutely LOVED my '03 GT. With factory cruise you can run the highway all day long, stopping for gas and food. The BMW seats seem to work okay for me, even the one on my '10 GT which everyone seems to swap out.

Issues with the '03 GT are as mentioned earlier

- High center of gravity which is mainly an issue only in parking lots. But be careful with sudden stops as this can be an issue. I never dropped my '03 during the 3 years (60,000 miles) I had it, but came close numerous times.

- Bike will roll off of the side-stand if on an incline. (oops)

- Clutch slave issues are to be watched for.

- Tires about every 8k for me, can be pushed a little further depending on make of tire. I used the Z6's. The original tires were Bridgestone BT-020's and they tend to cup badly, especially on the front.

- Range was a little shorter than I would have liked, but it was decent. All day at 65 mph and you are usually in the 190 mile area. A little more conservative and you are talking closer to 200. Around town and having fun about 160 miles.

- I won't say there is absolute no vibration, but it is incredibly smooth.

- ABS brakes are amazing

- Factory Cruise Control sounds like a minor thing, but for all day highway riding it is unbelievable.

- This bike WILL seduce you and make you think that the posted SPEED LIMIT signs are not intended for you. Be careful, most LEO don't care that you are riding an amazing machine.
 

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The RT is more like the Connie than the GT. I would say the GT is quite a bit different than the Connie. The GT is a lot smoother and faster than the RT and Connie, but also less comfortable than either. The newer GT is considerably improved over the flying brick GT in almost every way.
 

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FWIW, I just did the transition from a '99 Connie to an '03 K1200RS (it and the GT are very close cousins). In general, the K1200's strike me as German Connies that moved up-market. All the things I liked in the Connie (day-long quick riding with reasonable comfort) are there. The K1200's don't feel as "tippy" as the Connie although I suspect the RT's COG is lower (maybe not?). The really good news is the Beemer motor pulls like a freight train and the brakes do their job without a lot of fuss and with ABS. In fact, when I went looking for the replacement to Barney, ABS was a must-have.

The down side is the complexity of the Beemer. Changing the air filter means pulling the gas tank (honest!). It's a lot harder to add electrical farkles (horns, lights, etc.). Even a lot of the fasteners are not the usual metric bolts and screws but either Torx or hex screws/bolts (the problem here is more adding new tools to the tool box - as fasteners go, I like Torx fasteners over standard bolts).

Misc. pros and cons... the K's handling is (surprise!) really confidence-inspiring. The lights... it's too easy to outrun them at night - plan on changing to brighter bulbs or HID's. The centerstand on the K actually works without threatening to blow your back out or give you a hernia. The Connie bags hold more than the Beemer bags. The Beermer bag mounts are more robust than Connie antlers and you don't need to unbolt antlers and cover the bolt holes up with tupperware, as on the Connie, if you want to ride without them. The seat is as comfortable (or not) as the stock Connie seat. The Connie seat is vastly easier to take off and put back on. The K's seat, in its lower position, will have you sliding forward and jamming "the boys" into the back of the tank - bet on it. In the upper position... not so much. I may look for a Corbin replacement, as I did on my Connie.

I put something like 40K on the Connie before the engine hydro-locked. I had a lot of fun with the bike and was truly sorry to see things end, at 61K on the clock and a lot of riding otherwise left in the bike. In the roughly one month I've had the Red Flash so far, I've done two 300+ mile trips and some local riding. Would I buy the bike again? In a New York minute! :D

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ADD: I installed an after-market AudioVox cruise control on the Connie. My KRS has the OEM cruise control. The AudioVox unit worked well, although I quickly learned to keep my weight off the throttle grip (and on the handlebar end weight) while it was engaged. The BMW unit doesn't much care about that, but if you hit a bump on the road and accidentally back the throttle off, the cruise control disengages (as it's designed to do). In general, with a real cruise control (as opposed to a throttle lock - IMNSHO, a near-suicide device), long distance slabbing becomes much, much easier. Don't leave home without it. :hail:
 

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Further comments: the tranny and clutch. My Connie had a habit of being a little difficult with finding neutral between first and second and Kawasaki deliberately made going from neutral to second, while stopped, a problem. The clutch had good feel. It's possible to move the shifter pedal on its splined shaft to get just the right space for some thicker riding boots (I have Aerostich's Combat Lite boots by Sidi - thick suckers but "da bomb" for riding). The KRS' tranny is effin' notchy and clunky. The clutch is a beast to feather well when shifting (oddly, or perhaps not, the same is true for all three BMW cars with manual shift that we had or still own). The shifter pedal has two positions, period, end of story, basta. And neither position really suits me. Of all the gripes about the KRS, I think the tranny and clutch gripes are the ones that bring me closest to saying "BMW Motorrad, WTF!!! Were ya thinking?!?" :wtf: :banghead:
 

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Great Forum!!!

Just finished reading your great replies, and then saw a couple of messages (also really excellent) from fellow Carolinian Stephen.

What can I say...but Thanks!

Enjoyed the Connie vs K thoughts. Funny, I installed the obligatory throttlemeister/bar ends on my Concours, but always thought it was a sorta' stone axe approach to cruise control. I am definitely drawn to the K's integrated cruise control, and agree that it would be a priceless cruising companion.

And, yes, I need a way to maintain a legal speed, as I seem to get at least one ticket a year. :spank1:

The transmission comments; ditto. My 6 speed M5 is exactly as described.

Good land - y'all do rack up the miles on your bikes! They must be good, to deserve so much prime butt time.

I'm continuing to look for a K bike, and will be travelling to see at least one example within the next week. A big factor is this forum...my compliments to everyone. :clap:
 

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I have an '04 with 14000 miles that I'll be selling as I no longer ride it due to shoulder injuries. The bike is as new, dealer maintained and ready to go, for pics e-mail me at [email protected]. I'm looking for $8500. Good luck with your search.
 

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Came across a XCountry ...

Just in case I've left anybody on this very fine forum hanging:

- I took a left turn and bought an '08 BMW 650 xcountry :wtf: ; because...

- Will be doing the trans america trail with friends starting next week (TN - OK)

- Still v interested in a K12GT for touring

* I looked at an '08 k12GT and an '02 K12RS at the Carolina Euro BMW dealer while getting XC rcalls done last thursday

* Will return to K12 search in Oct

Many thanks again to everyone.
 

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Well! There's a surprise! :)

Given the trip you're looking at, though, it sure makes sense.

Enjoy the ride! :)
 

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It will not roll off the stand if you turn off the ignition with it in 1st gear, then roll the bike gently forward until the it stops against the gear. Then put the stand down. You can be on a downhill all day and it will not roll off the stand!
 

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Post TAT report...

Just finished the Trans America Trail; TN to OK; about 1,100 trail miles, mostly offroad.

Trip was a blast - I highly recommend it to you. My '08 BMW G650 xcountry did great, though I frequently wished for a K12 on the long highway slog back home. The TKC 80 knobbies worked well, though mostly gone by 2,000 miles.

Highlights were the Tennessee mountains, the Mississippi delta, and the Arkansas ozarks.

Looked at a well worn (55k miles; light crash damage) '03 K12GT in Raleigh on the way through yesterday. Fine, honest, highly knowledgeable owner, though believe I'll try and find a nicer example. He is ordering a new K13GT.

Bests, john
 

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Congrats on the TAT trip! :clap:

Any particulars on the Raleigh GT?
 

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I often ride to Oriental on my KRS. I don't think you can go wrong with one of these bikes. I do think I will get a dual sport sometime in the future myself. I was riding in the WV/Va mountains the past couple of weekends and some of those dirt/gravel roads were calling my name!
 

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The only thing an RS lacks that the GT has are the electric windshield and heated seat and higher bars. RSes are selling for around $6K, even really nice ones.
 

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K12 Search...

Thanks, all. Greast forum!

RBE:
The Raleigh GT is blue, and asking $5800. Owner steve is a gem. Pmail me for ph # if you need it. Or call to discuss (below).

Haji:
Feel free to drop by next time you come thru Oriental. I'm at 252 675 1936.

All:
I'm planning to look at an '04 RS this weekend in Raleigh ($6500; 14K mi; green). Need to see one up close to better understand the diff with GT. My concern would be riding position and no cruise control (?) or saddle bags. I'm open minded, though.

Searching for a K12GT (nationwide craigslist), seems that the later models are now avail around $10K. Saw an '07 in TX with 22K mi for $9500, for example. As test riding either models is a problem, not sure whether to pop for a newer design bike or not. I like the lighter weight aspect alot. Don't want another buzz bomb though (ie, inline 4 peaky buzzy, 'ala Concours 1000). Thoughts? :confused:
 
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