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so I have this thing I inherited from my grand mother where my hands go really numb and I can’t feel my fingers when I say hold the throttle on for long periods ….riding a bike on longer trips I have to keep taking my hand off the throttle and swinging it beside me to get feeling back in my fingers …so I have tried all the different throttle things …you know like the plastic thing that you rest your palm on and the clamp thing that you swing down with your thumb and rests on the brake lever ..

the plastic palm rest thing does help and I use it …don’t like the clamp one …k12s have a touchy throttle and that little bit it adjusts when you let go can change how the bike is riding dramatically ..it’s just not accurate enough and has that slight throttle movement when you let go ..

so I found this cruise control unit , looks like you tighten a ring and then can just let go of the throttle and it will stay where it is ….from pictures I have seen I’m guessing it’s similar in how it works to actual bmw cruise controls accept they seem to be located on the inside of the throttle next to the switch block while this is meant to be attached to the outside and has its Own bar end weight So it goes in place of the weight on the throttle side.


i know bar end weights work by lowering the resonant frequency of the handlebar ,..just finished reading an interesting thread here where someone was arguing against physics and saying you just add extra weight to your bike and they don’t work ..yeah the 20 grams of extra weight is a real problem and the physicists have it all wrong, some people love to argue lol ….anyways

so I emailed the people that sell this thing to find out how heavy the weight is that is attached to this unit ….10 grams was the reply..

my concern is that it is not the same weight as the oem Bar end on the other side And will create an imbalance. to save myself having to get a small scale to weigh the weight anyone know off hand what the weight is of the stock bar end weights on a k1200r ? Anyone have any opinions experience With a unit like this good or bad why to or why not?

this very question is why I never got bar end mirrors as the ones I found went in place of the bar end weights and I did not want to remove them…
 

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One other suggestion is "grip puppies". They are foam/neoprene sleeves that go over the existing grips. The increase the diameter of the the grips substantially, and also dampen down the vibrations. I think you can also still use the palm rest with them.
Very grippy as well, so it's easier to hold the throttle in position, and wind it on.
Quite cheap as well.
I put on a set and they do make a difference. Since I'm used to gripping something with more girth, ;)

 
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I recently fitted one of these Wunderlich cruise control – R1200RT (2010 to 2013), K1200R/S/1300R/S to my 1300S. Similar to the one you've posted, @rszarka (but pricier...though no better made by the look of it, mine came with a matching bar end weight for the left handlebar).

It works as expected - fine. Its a poor substitute for a proper cruise control. My 1300GT has that and its great - long term I'll look at whether I can fit to the S, but this is a stopgap. The only issue with the Wunderlich one was that the anodising has been worn off by the superfabric (which has ceramic beads) on the edge of my gloves but that's happened on the bar ends on the other bikes so can't complain.

The Wunderlich one (and L/H part) wasn't anything like as heavy as the standard bar ends but that hasn't seemed to matter - no tank-slappers etc, despite also raising the rear end 31mm with riser plates. Mind you I usually have a phone and satnav attached to RAM mounts screwed into top-hats I fitted into the inner ends of the handlebars so they'll be providing a roughly equivalent moment of inertia.

At that price, I say try it and see.

Personally not a fan of grip puppies or any spongy grip material (though I know they cushion vibes etc) as they greatly change the feel of and control over the throttle (I find just wearing winter gloves vs unlined summer ones is enough to cause an annoying lack of feel and control).
 

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Hi guys

so I have this thing I inherited from my grand mother where my hands go really numb and I can’t feel my fingers when I say hold the throttle on for long periods ….riding a bike on longer trips I have to keep taking my hand off the throttle and swinging it beside me to get feeling back in my fingers …so I have tried all the different throttle things …you know like the plastic thing that you rest your palm on and the clamp thing that you swing down with your thumb and rests on the brake lever ..

the plastic palm rest thing does help and I use it …don’t like the clamp one …k12s have a touchy throttle and that little bit it adjusts when you let go can change how the bike is riding dramatically ..it’s just not accurate enough and has that slight throttle movement when you let go ..

so I found this cruise control unit , looks like you tighten a ring and then can just let go of the throttle and it will stay where it is ….from pictures I have seen I’m guessing it’s similar in how it works to actual bmw cruise controls accept they seem to be located on the inside of the throttle next to the switch block while this is meant to be attached to the outside and has its Own bar end weight So it goes in place of the weight on the throttle side.


i know bar end weights work by lowering the resonant frequency of the handlebar ,..just finished reading an interesting thread here where someone was arguing against physics and saying you just add extra weight to your bike and they don’t work ..yeah the 20 grams of extra weight is a real problem and the physicists have it all wrong, some people love to argue lol ….anyways

so I emailed the people that sell this thing to find out how heavy the weight is that is attached to this unit ….10 grams was the reply..

my concern is that it is not the same weight as the oem Bar end on the other side And will create an imbalance. to save myself having to get a small scale to weigh the weight anyone know off hand what the weight is of the stock bar end weights on a k1200r ? Anyone have any opinions experience With a unit like this good or bad why to or why not?

this very question is why I never got bar end mirrors as the ones I found went in place of the bar end weights and I did not want to remove them…
The cruise control device works like a million bucks, had it on my last 3 K bikes and wouldn't travel without one. Doesn't necessarily reduce vibration however does allow you to lock the throttle while riding to shake the hand for some relief without having to slow down. Highly recommended.
 

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Throttle Meister is the same friction based system and the bar ends both weigh as much or more than the factory bar ends. When able to cruise, I set mine so there is just enough friction to hold the throttle. I can make small power adjustments as needed for traffic and still fully close the throttle if needed. You might consider pouring lead shot into the handle bars. Don't fill them completely. That might provide some more dampening.
 

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Thank you very much everyone for all of the insight into this topic ..you guys rock !

Corkboy thanks for the suggestion of grip puppies ..I have just ordered a set as I have the oem heated grips and they are wearing out ..I think you did mention them to me in a previous post awhile back .. although like someone mentioned I wonder if I will like having my grips a bit squishy..

duncan hare ..thanks for the info mate ..I will be buying a cruise unit so I will also look into the winderlich version as well ….after taking a closer look I have a feeling I may be able to take off the weight that comes with it and put the bar end weight from the bike on there …

wpv thanks mate another name brand to check out ..I will review all three that have been mentioned and order one tonight …

just to clarify my hands going numb is not from the cold or the vibrations ..I inherited some weird condition from my grand mother where when my extremities are in a fixed position like holding handle bars my blood vessels constrict when they should not and shut off blood flow ….my hands lose feeling go white then turn blue if I just leave them there..usually comes on quick within 5-10 mins …so I need to drop them by my side often and move em back and forth every few mins to get feeling back …it’s very annoying…and why a cruise control would be priceless.. what I usually do is run way ahead of any car behind me so I can drop my hand off the throttle for 20 secs so I don’t suddenly slow for no reason in front of them ….not ideal so yeah will get one for sure ..


Will be ordering one today …many thanks to all for the input !

im about to change out my plugs as my air filter was pretty dirty when I just switched it out so she would of been running rich …May of fouled the plugs ….it’s time anyways…….. I see it’s a bit of a more complicated process than usual as you have to remove the cooling system and re pressurise it after …also get a specific tool …will start another thread for all of that..
 

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You will like the grip puppies, I have them plus the luxury of cruise control on the 09 GT, first bike ever with Cc. So comfy with GP, firm enough for lots of feedback, but soft enough to dampen out vibration, and if you have largish hands, makes the grip much better. The bmw has skinny grips as standard, so to me, the GPs make them almost normal, point of reference being my '03 suzuki 1400....

I has a Daytona 675, that had nice grips from std.
 

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im about to change out my plugs as my air filter was pretty dirty when I just switched it out so she would of been running rich …May of fouled the plugs ….it’s time anyways…….. I see it’s a bit of a more complicated process than usual as you have to remove the cooling system and re pressurise it after …also get a specific tool …will start another thread for all of that..
Yeah, good to change air filters regularly and often - lot of people don't seem to realise that age, as well as mileage, degrades the performance of paper filters. I wouldn't worry too much, though, about having fouled the plugs as a result - the ECU adjusts fuelling to match manifold air pressure. And you may want to think about doing the valve clearance check at the same time as the plugs, as its so much faff to get to the head and its due every 18,000 miles (though can often be stretched to longer if you've confirmed they're well in tolerance and have an idea if they're changing much). Lots of threads on the cooling system already that you might want to look at (e.g. 18,000 Mile Valve Clearance Check).
 

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Hi rsarka, sounds like
Raynaud's disease

Sounds like the grip puppies might help, especially if you can squeeze them every now and again, like a stress ball. Also the cruise control, as it will allow you to take your hands off without deceleration.

Good luck.
 

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Check out the Wunderlich steering bridge / handle bar conversion. I have the same problem, but much less severe (probably carpal tunnel). I tried Helibars and grip puppies, then put a K1300R steering bridge and handle bars, followed by putting the Helibars on the K1300R setup. I got some relief. My current K1300S has the Wunderlich package and has given me a lot of relief, almost eliminating the problem (which slightly manifests itself on or off the cycle). It has given me a more upright riding position taking pressure off my wrists. The slightly wider handlebars have given me more leverage for low speed handling. It ain't cheap, but if you plan on long term ownership of this cycle you might consider this. On the other hand there is always a Harley bagger :ROFLMAO:.
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Duncan hare : thanks for the advice and link to that thread ! I will definately check the valve clearances when I’m in there ! Looks like a difficult job I found this bike a bit intimidating to work on initially but decided I will just go for it no matter the Job if I fail I can always trailer it into a shop …. Want to be able to do it all myself one day…
Gotta say my air filter really really did need changing…. a bit mad at myself for not doing it sooner ..was old very dirty and full of bugs and dirt / sand ..it’s quite incredible the difference in performance and how the bike runs ..from now on I will change taht thing at least twice a year wether I think It needs it or not….really should of done that and the plugs as soon as I got it. …slack…did the oil and final drive oil but didn’t check the filter …stupid….. thanks so much for the help Duncan I really do appreciate it !

corkboy : yeah I think that’s the name of it ..my grand mother had it ..she always had blue extremities ..my dad didn’t have it and I got it..skipped a generation lol but I don’t think I have a severe case … ..at first we thought I had blood pressure problems but that turned out to be excellent that's when family back in Hungary suggested to check for this thing when I was a kid …. … looking forward to trying these grip puppies out ! There was also another brand on eBay with an interesting name pussy grips lol

wpv : thanks for the suggestion mate ….here’s the thing why I’m really hesitant to change riding position in anyway I’m one of those people that was told by multiple docs I will never ride again so it’s not just the numb hands thing I struggle with …….I gave the docs the finger and jumped right back on a bike……I have found this bmw exactly as it is to be nothing short of a perfect miracle !
now when I hear of someone thinking of giving up riding because of bad backs knees whatever I say wait hold that thought ..before you decide go and try ride a bmw k1200r it may save your riding ! I wonder if other bmws are equally as good in this regard ? I would assume it….

I was a professional acrobat by trade which already wrecks your body but some bloody idiots dropped a 200 lb steel cage 5 stories onto my head during a dress rehearsal in a casino in Oklahoma USA … to make a long story short my body was already problematic from a lifetime of acro on very harsh surfaces but got utterly wrecked from this incident and I was told I would never be able to ride or do anything at all physical ever again, I walk kinda funny some of my friends call me super penguin as I kinda waddle lol …I refused any further Surgeries as I nearly didn’t wake up from the last one …I had only 4 out of like 12 surgeries needed so I left a lot things that won’t ever heal broken….riding is always a painful endeavour for me but I would rather be dead than not ride it’s the only thing left in my life worth a damn…was Not quitting that for pains or anything else…
I have multiple herniated disks at all 3 levels of my spine ..2 completely destroyed shoulders ..2 completely destroyed knees ..2 large hernias in my stomach and a ripped off distal biceps tendon on my left arm .. who cares about all that junk the point I’m making is on this k1200 r I was simply blown away with how much less I suffered after longer rides particularly. My sis lives 3 and a half hours away and I go often, the trip takes me 6-8 hours as I have to stop at every damned rest stop to chill everything out for the next leg …
on my last 3 bikes I would get there all locked up would take me days to get semi normal …with the k12 I get there sure I’m sore as hell that can’t be helped but recover much much quicker and don’t struggle for days like with other bikes ..it’s almost miraculous mate like a freakin godsend for me …so I’m scared to change anything at all with riding position or handlebars or whatever as this bike is well just a perfect miracle haha I struggle much less than on any other bike I have ridden since these morons crushed me..
I’m just worried if say the new handle bars change the position I sit in the miracle goes away …. if I just get the cruise control I can fix the hands thing by just letting go and swinging my arms every few mins …I have a feeling no matter how my arms sit when they are oustretched this stupid syndrome thing kicks in after a min or two.. my toes go numb as well but I don’t need em to control the bike so just ignore that ..by the time I get off the bike I feel nothing at all in my toes add that to my already funny walking and I really look like a bloody idiot the first few mins lol

‘’some get annoyed at me for gushing about this bike so much ….I’m obviously really obsessed with it but it’s a really big deal for someone in my situation to find something that works so well ..didn’t think it possible or was out there …… in my mind bmws engineers are literal gods haha
 

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Hey while I got you guys attention …..after writing the above I went out for a quick ride picked up two freakin nails in my rear tire in one go ..the tire is only a couple of months old errrggggg ..
I know there is two schools of thought on plugging ….one is if it’s in the Center plug away your tire will last the life of the tire ..the other is replace ….I am more in the plug school of thought …so here is the question ..
I had one great big huge screw smack in the middle of the tire ..was so big the tire actually jumped badly even had a bloody washer on it ..amazing …so yeah yanked that out and plugged it and not really worried about that one pretty sure I can forget about it….problem is off to the left is a small nail or something and it’s a ways off to the side ..now I know everyone says don’t plug when it’s not in the Center patch as the tire flexes in that area ….this is a tiny tiny nail so will be a very small hole and I’m thinking plug the bastard what do you guys think ?
photo below you can see plug from big hole in middle and the small nail off to the left … I mean seriously I just swapped the bloody tire out because of a screw in a bad spot on the last one …
wtf is wrong with people leaving bloody screws and nails all over these roads insane !

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I agree with EricK1300GTSE that you need to replace it. If you only had the one on the right and if the hole wasn't too big and there was no reason to think the belt might have been damaged I might think it worth getting a proper mushroom plug put in (from the inside) - you shouldn't ride for long/fast on that repair - they do go pop........But it sounds like a big/nasty hole and with the second hole (and so near the edge) level with it, its definitely got to be binned. Also it looks like one of the earlier Pirelli Rosso Tyres so assume it's old stock?
 

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Duncan hare : thanks for the advice and link to that thread ! I will definately check the valve clearances when I’m in there ! Looks like a difficult job I found this bike a bit intimidating to work on initially but decided I will just go for it no matter the Job if I fail I can always trailer it into a shop …. Want to be able to do it all myself one day…
Yeah its a bit of a pig of a job. Very hard to get feelers in and get an accurate reading - takes quite a bit of practice and I found I had to dismantle the feelers and bend the few I needed so they slid in with no tension. You do need some special tools too - crankshaft locking pin (best bought) and, if the shims need adjusting, 2 long stud like devices to holld the cam caps down while you take the screws out and then allow them to be released evenly + micrometer (or v good calipers) to measure shims. The 2 stud things can be bought (pricy) or made by anyone with a lathe. If you're happy to trailer the bike to a dealer if you get stuck then you might want to do the measuring part yourself as its only a step or 3 on from changing the plugs. If they're in tolerance you can reassemble (need the 2 cover gaskets + the bolt seals + water-pump seal + various o rings) and if they're not you could take it to a dealer to get the cams out and set them.
 

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Damn I had a feeling the consensus would be change the damned tire ! I know you guys are right and like my last tire that I changed It would mess with my mind knowing those problems are there as I like to ride hard it’s the only damned thing I can do hard anymore the one way I can still keep up…. Just to iterate I do it with sense though ..don’t ever ride fast when others are around only do it when the risk is only to me ..there is a place near my sister in the Brindabella mountains it’s a super curvy well maintained narrow 2 lane oncoming traffic road through the mountains with speed limits of 100 for most of the way and the road is always empty you hardly see another car or bike on a week day run ..it’s a hell of a fun run where you can really let lose and just risk your own damned life hahah
Yes it is an older pirelli a Diablo Rosso 2 but it was not old stock …I assumed that as well when I went to check it out that it would be older stock sitting around but we checked the manufacture date on the tire and don’t remember exactly but was like 2020 or 2021 .. so older style but not old stock sitting around …I guess they still make these or still made them a couple years back…they are a good tire very grippy … wear quick but stick… I know I read somewhere you want to stay away from any rubber that’s been sitting for 5 years as they dry out type deal…
really it does not make much sense to get an expensive tire here in Sydney …this is my 6th nail or screw in a year ! Yes I ride a ton every single day rain or shine but that’s a bit rediculous …so I’m going to buy a cheap tire for the rear , no not second hand or old stock anything like that but why spend top dollar ..screw it literally, will just have nails and screws in it within a month or two anyways lol will take you guys advice and go get the new one today ….had a ride planned for today now thats stuffed….

duncan hare …thank you so much for this write up and instructions …I have copied it out and pasted it into my bmw maintenance folder for easy access when I head to the job ! Really appreciate the help and you taking the time to write this for me, having insight and tips from others that have done the job priceless ! Thank you thank you very much !
 

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Ugly ugly would be a death wish to ride on this ! Wouldn’t even ride on it with pro plugs and patches … Wanted to just leave the nail thing in there until I got the new tire but it was leaking air pretty fast ..so pulled it plugged it, just need it to last long enough to get to the fitting shop ….yeah you would have to have a death wish to do any real riding on this …going tomorrow going to have an angel st fitted …

‘’I dunno if it’s my phone camera or the angle but that tire already seems to have a very weird shape in that photo anyways , maybe it’s already trying to blow up on me ..will ride slow to the shop…
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Totally agree with Eric. Between the wear and the screw, that tyre is toast. Be safe and get yourself a new one. (Maybe even a new set?)

(BTW, we get the same stuff in Bathurst - nails and screws falling off the back of tradie's utes have cost me tyres on the wife's car.)
 
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