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After spending much time researching, riding and just hanging around the K1200S, I'm sold on the bike. So what's the dilemma you ask?

There is no question that of all the bikes BMW currently has available, the K12S scores the most points for me. However, the new K12GT is on the horizon and I find myself in the same situation I was in back in June of 2004. At that time I was considering a "flying brick" K1200GT and the new R1200GS knowing that other new bikes were coming soon. However, based on what was currently available, the R1200GS scored the most points with me and so I purchased it.

One year later, BMW releases several new or updated models. The K1200S was the first new bike to hit the US followed closely by the R12RT and ST. I liked them all but it was the K1200S that had me saying to myself, "I should have waited." Never the less, I remained optimistic and reminded myself; If I had waited, I wouldn't have had so many good times on the awesome R12GS.

This time it's a little different. I have to sell the GS to afford the KS. If I act soon, I may receive the best resale dollar for my GS I'm likely to ever get. Additionally, I've found a new 05 K1200S (with ESA and all) available that I can get at a very nice discount (I think 10% off the MSRP). If there were not a new K1200GT coming out soon, this would be a "no brainier" for me. Buy KS, sell GS, enjoy!

Understanding that there are aspects of the new R1200RT that also make it appealing to me, I can't help thinking, "if they just get the GT right this time, it can be the perfect blend of K12S and R12RT (say: 75%S and 25%RT). That would be a real contender to the KS for me. Based upon rumors, BMW may have done it right this time and in a couple of months, we should know. In a couple of months however, the GS will be worth less money, and the discounted 05KS will be gone.

I guess I could look at it this way. If I wait, I may find a few things I prefer in the new GT over the KS. But will it be worth the increased cost? It will definitely cost more money to wait. The 06 KS will be more than the 05 is now and the new GT will most likely be priced quite high. So again I ask myself, should I wait? Will the new GT be so much more appealing than the KS that even if it's costs me an additional 4000 bucks, I'll think it's worth it? Maybe I've already answered my own question??????
What's your opinion?
 

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Wait at least 10 days and see if the new GT is introduced at Milan as some rumors say it will be. There are members on this board that will be there, plus the press, so, there should be plenty of info IF it is introduced then.

After 10 days, you will either be able to make a more informed decison OR make a seat-of-the-pants decision that you will have to live with for a while. Only you can answer how you are going to use the bike. If it is more sports oriented, do the discounted '05 S now. If it is more sport touring, wait for the GT.

Just my $.02!

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Wait

You might consider that IF the GT turns out to be just what you wanted, then you might become unsatisfied with your discounted K12S.

The money savings won't console your longing for the bike you wish you had.
 

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Good points everyone.

Erik said:
What is it about the new GT that's making you wait for it, ergo's, luggage, options?
Not sure. From my point of view, the only thing the GT could do to improve upon the S is add a few things that make it better for trips. Basically, leave the KS as is and add the following:

- Factory cruise control.
- Slightly more relaxed ergos. Slightly!
- Better luggage. (a "little" more room and water proof would be nice)
- A little more range. (anything over 200 miles on average per tank full)

- Possibly better passenger comfort. (although, I don't have a passenger often)
- Heated seat and adjustable wind-screen may be nice to have but not all that important to me so far.

- And of course, I'm curious as to what the GT will look like. Not that I think it will look better than the S. Just different. I'd say the KS is probably the sexiest bike BMW is building right now.

As I've said earlier, I love the KS. I'm just curious about the GT and it raises some questions about the timing for me right now.

No matter what, I know I won't be regretful. I can always focus on the positives of the choices I make. What ever I choose, In my mind, as long as it's a new K-bike, I'll win either way. Only question may be "how much did it cost me to win?" But a few beers will put out that fire :)
 

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I've found the best way to decide is to be honest about how you ride and get a bike that suits the purpose. If you rarely ride with a passenger, then don't worry about passenger comfort. If you plan on riding up to 500 miles a day, take weeklong trips maybe once a year. Ride on pavement all the time, and no real extreme backroads... Get the S. I have an RS and this is how I ride. If I had a GT, it would weigh more, be slower.. Probably the same with the new GT. If your primary purpose is not to take longer trips two up, get the S.
 

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I was in a similar situation. I sold my 02 KRS to get an 05 12GS because I didn't want to wait for the S. I'm glad I did. The GS allowed me to experience gravel & dirt riding I'd never done before.

When the S came out I started looking.

I traded my GS in on a '06 S.

I liked the ergo's on the KRS, I love them on the S. Perhaps slightly more aggressive, but not much. If you find the KS at all uncomfortable, it probably makes sense to wait to see what the GT looks like.

Me? I knew I wanted more of a sportbike that can also tour. The S is the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden. My wife has her own bike and I probably don't put more than 1,000 miles/yr on with a passenger. No brainer.

Reread your post. You said you love the S. But you wonder if the GT might be more practical. For what it's worth, unless your are in the Iron Butt or are using the bike as a work tool, go with what you lust for. The hell with practicality. Buying a bike 'cause it is practical means a trade in the near future.
 

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BCC said:
When the S came out I started looking. I traded my GS in on a '06 S.
Reread your post. You said you love the S. But you wonder if the GT might be more practical. For what it's worth, unless your are in the Iron Butt or are using the bike as a work tool, go with what you lust for. The hell with practicality. Buying a bike 'cause it is practical means a trade in the near future.
Did I say "more practical"..... Hummmm???,.....doesn't sound like me :)
I'm sure I don't get into motorcycles because it's the practical thing to do. Generally speaking, I'm into motorcycles for the sheer enjoyment of the ride. More specifically, I'm into BMW motorcycles for several reasons but two stand out; The exceptional machines they build and the exceptional people I've met, that make up the community.

Motorcycles are not the practical thing for me. As I have 3 children, the practical thing would be my boring car. I hardly use my bike to commute and I haven't been doing any long distance travel. Usually not more than a few hundred miles from home. I do get in a couple of thousand mile weekends each year but mostly, I ride for fun on the weekends. A couple hundred miles over the highways and through the mountains, sweepers, twisties and desert roads of sunny southern California. Occasionally, I'll commute to work for the hell of it or breeze up the slab to get to some unexplored mountain or desert roads. Nothing practical in any of that. It's all about fun and adventure.

I figured there would be no easy answer to my original question (KS now or wait for GT ?). Even after providing the details, it still comes down to ones personal choice. Still, the topic does spark good dialog which hopefully helps on some level.
 

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mark5lam said:
From my point of view, the only thing the GT could do to improve upon the S is add a few things that make it better for trips. Basically, leave the KS as is and add the following:

- Factory cruise control.
- Slightly more relaxed ergos. Slightly!
- Better luggage. (a "little" more room and water proof would be nice)
- A little more range. (anything over 200 miles on average per tank full)

- Possibly better passenger comfort. (although, I don't have a passenger often)
- Heated seat and adjustable wind-screen may be nice to have but not all that important to me so far.

- I'd say the KS is probably the sexiest bike BMW is building right now.

As I've said earlier, I love the KS.
Yer right, ya didn't say practical....but that's what I interpreted. My bad. I'm sure either will be a fine choice.
 

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What do you want from your bike?

That's the question I asked myself. I knew I wanted the KS and was prepared to wait for it (past the chocolate cam episode). I had intended holding onto my K100RS as I thought it would do some things the KS would not.

The KS arrived and I have used it for short trips, long tours, all sorts of weather and all sorts of roads... I have given the K100RS to my son and since October have used the KS for everything.

What do you want from your bike? I know what I want... and the KS fills every aspect. If the KS suits you, then go for it... I have no regrets.:)
 

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Based on your current usage and the unlikely possibility of change with a young family, bike ownership probably provides a much needed safety valve for you as opposed to a lifestyle focus. I suspect this is the case for many people. For the KS, tank capacity and range is an issue (minor) and the ergos can be amended (Verholen) but we live in an imperfect world and in general if you wait until all your ducks are in a row for the perfect "shot" there is a "cost" in lost opportunities ie TIME and EXPERIENCES. An honest assessment of current and future use will tell you the equipment for the application. Good luck.

Cheers
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Everyone is right here- it's all about what you want to do, and how well the S fits you and your riding. I find the S position comfortable but with the stock wind screen there's a lot of air on your upper body and helmet. At higher speeds and when there is wind or vehicle turbulence this can be less than enjoyable. At 50-65 through the hills the airflow is dead smooth and it's perfect. At 80 on the slab with some wind and turbulence off cars and trucks it's not. I miss the cruise control of the RS when I'm on the S and I'll bet the electric screen on the GT would be very useful. And if I was doing longer tours I think the GT's greater luggage capacity would be nice. Almost certainly the GT would be better with a passenger, if you expect one often.

It's nice to have to make a tough choice like this, eh? :D
 

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point, counterpoint to karls last comment: the opposite's true for me regarding wind turbulence, I hardly ever hunker down and I ride a LOT in the 80 to whatever range. Indeed on the track, and I've written this before, at 125 to 140 I'm passsing sport bike riders that are tucked down and I'm upright LT style. 5'8" here for the record, maybe that's the difference.
 

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Well from the spy pictures I can tell two things on the ergos the Bars will be higher and pulled back towards the rider more. The footpegs "look" to be in about the same position. The bike most likely has an adjustable windscreen, figure that cruise, heated seats, and full size bags will be options, along with, I hear HID headlight. All good stuff, and all stuff I don't much care about..well except for the HID.. maybe BMW will offer it for the S as an option down the road. For my riding weekend blasts and the rare long trips the S does it all plus it's beautiful.
 

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Be patient...wait and see. Your GS will keep you going for a while, there is no reason to rush. If you have not purchased an "S" by now you are still on the fence so wait and see. There will be another "S" waiting down the road if and when you are ready for one. Because you have waited for the 06 you will now have a better screen that can be seen in daylight. There may be other improvments that will be made that are worth the wait.

It is not as if you do not have a bike to ride presently. Be patient, relax and enjoy the weekends on your GS for the time being. That GS brings you miles of smiles.

 

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Personally, I believe in the philosophy of never buy in the first patch of any new vehicle model. Wait at least a year for all the production bugs to appear and sort out. You don't have to look far. Look at the KS and the initial problems. The current patch should be pretty good now. So if you want the GT, you will want to wait for a year after it is first available.
 

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Problem is, you're arguing/struggling with a long list of unknowns. That type of situation can't be reduced to logic - by defnition it's an emotional one. So throwing away logic for a moment, what does your heart tell you?

You mention being able to get the most value out of your current bike right now. Or that the 05S deals won't be around in the spring. In the market I'm in, that's just the opposite - not too many sport-touring bikes get top dollar in the fall/early winter. And, I don't think you'll have problems finding a new '05 S at a good price.

Another factor is that even if the GT IS announced next week, and if it is all you hope for, it likely won't hit the markets for a significant time period (look at how long it took for the S to be announced and when it finally hit the market).

No easy decision. In the end, that kind of decision for me won't have an easy economical decision except for: "..in the end, can I afford what I must have now?..."
 

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Well mark5lam, what's it going to be, now that you've seen the new GT?
Still a great question. After giving it too-much" thought. I'm still thinking the K1200S is the way for me to go. The prospect of the new GT on the horizon just gave me something else to think about. I'm going to hold off until I go to the International Motorcycle Show in Long Beach CA next week. The GT and new GS adventure are supposed to be there (among everything else). I want to see the GT in person. Never the less, I'm still pretty sure the KS is the way for me. I'm sure I'll think the GT is great but by the time you figure in the cost of the GT with all it's wiz-bang options it will probably cost an additional 4 grand of options I don't "really" need.
 

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Looks to me like the latest engine management software has rectified a significant amount if not all of the performance issues and any other problems are being steadily addressed. For what my 2c is worth the latest KS versions and remedies make the current KS a very attractive bike now.
 
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