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Hi all,
I’m curious to get your opinion on possible pricing for the two models.
Current MSRP for the premium 1300GT is $22,595 (USA)
MSRP for the 1200LT is $21,700 (a 9 year old model, close to EOL)

The 2010 Honda Goldwing with Nav, XM and ABS is selling for $26,599.
I heard there won’t be a 2011 model but a all new model shipping mid year as a 2012 model.

Price-wise, a six cylinder engine has to be positioned higher up than a 4c but I assume there is limited elasticity for a GT and more for a GTL. Will BMW be able to command higher price for a GTL than Honda for a GW1800?

If BMW stops selling the K1300GT, I doubt they can they charge over $23,900 for a GT1600. They may have a basic GT around $20K and a premium version at $24K

Will a fully loaded 1600GTL at $26,900 or $27,500 sell in large enough quantities for BMW to get the ROI they need on a brand new engine, frame, etc.? Will we see “Packages” available on the GTL too? That may take the bike up to $29,500. Hmmm…
Thoughts?
--JM (ready for a weekend riding my 06' K1200GT in the SF Bay Area)
 

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Makes no real difference what the retail pricing is.

I'll ride the thing and then decide if it's the bike for me or not. If it fits me and my riding style and lives up to BMW's hype, then I'll own one. If not, then I won't.

A thousand dollars one way or the other won't make or break the bike for me.
 

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I hate to say it but...

BMW is a pride-ful company. They know they are well entrenched as an exclusive and expensive toy-maker for those consumers who have it and will spend it. Sooooo, we, the little people are going to get priced out of their motorcycle showrooms just like we've been priced out of their automobile showrooms. It's all about the money. -Dr Ron :(
 

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I agree with Meese, if I ride it, like it and feel I can afford it, I will buy it. I generally am not wooed by things being new or by the name on the item. So regardless of how I like it, if too much, I will wait until used start hitting the market and get one like that.

As for BMW being prideful, I think anyone who makes something should take pride in their company. Otherwise you end up producing crap and no one buys it. I would consider myself one of the little people as neither my wife or I make a great deal or money, we save what we can, and buy only what we need and shop the hell of out things before we do. That being said, last week we bought a new (to us) 2010 BMW 128i that the dealer was selling as used because it was a service loaner car. Got the car because it was a style we liked, drove nice and it was replacing a car we did not like or have faith in. We were able to buy it because the price was much lower than the VW we had actually just bought 6 months prior and hated. If we hadn't needed to roll a bit of neg equity into the new car, it would have been truly a smoking deal. But its all good, we love the car, we love the deal we got and are paying less now than for the VW. Go figure. Just because is says BMW on it does not mean premium price.
 

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And of course you can just wait for them to become used bikes, that's never a dumb move. Plus you get to see what happens with, oh, gee I don't know, what could go wrong? Fuel mapping? Clutch juddering? handlebar switches? (hey I wonder if the Jap turn signals and pee cups will stay?).
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GillyWI said:
And of course you can just wait for them to become used bikes, that's never a dumb move. Plus you get to see what happens with, oh, gee I don't know, what could go wrong? Fuel mapping? Clutch juddering? handlebar switches? (hey I wonder if the Jap turn signals and pee cups will stay?).
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You forgot stalling, poorly designed camshaft-to-gear attachments, and final-drives blowing chunks. Least the pee cups haven't had any issues yet. Oh, I forgot. Yes they did. Some silly sponge was added to minimize air bubbles.

Right now, I find the downsized S1000RR to be far more fun. Less weight is very nice. As one saleswoman who waits on me in the local hardware store said today,"Well, you are getting older and it's harder to keep those heavy things upright." She knows I've never dropped my old RT in 100K miles, but not so lucky with the GT. Don't think she bought my "But it has a much higher center of gravity" excuse. Bah! :not

Least the S has still managed to stay upright so far. And it hasn't acted up in the warranty arena either. :clap:


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GMack said:
As one saleswoman who waits on me in the local hardware store said today,"Well, you are getting older and it's harder to keep those heavy things upright."

Mack
Yeah? I would have pointed at her chest and said "OH, yeah I guess you know what that's like..........

GMack said:
You forgot stalling, poorly designed camshaft-to-gear attachments, and final-drives blowing chunks. Least the pee cups haven't had any issues yet. Oh, I forgot. Yes they did. Some silly sponge was added to minimize air bubbles.
Oh, well, gee, get realistic, I mean a high end manufacturer like BMW couldn't possibly mess up on important things like these............

My K75 had the rear brake reservoir that had to be replaced a few times due to UV exposure (later on I guess they relocated it, but I chose to keep mine all original), still wondering how the pee cups will fair, being fully exposed to light. Maybe the dealers give them a smear of Coppertone on the services.......

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Makes no real difference what the retail pricing is.

I'll ride the thing and then decide if it's the bike for me or not. If it fits me and my riding style and lives up to BMW's hype, then I'll own one. If not, then I won't.

A thousand dollars one way or the other won't make or break the bike for me.
Well that's kind of a BS quote......NO difference? So if the bike comes out at 40k plus....you'd still buy it? Or how about 50k plus? At some point there has to be a cut off for any one. Or for at least 99.99% of us minions.

So unless you're related to Rockefeller or independently wealthy.....in which case I offer my self for adoption as long as I can ride the new bike.....then obviously yes....it does make a difference. 1000 bucks one way or another....OK....but one way or another of what?

Pricing this machine much above where they are at now with the 13 is going to push the thing out of reach for a LOT of people. Once it hits gold wing prices many people are going to start jumping ship UNLESS this thing proves itself over time. 3 or 4 years down the road if these new 16's are rock solid reliable then yeah, OK, charge a premium. But given the choice and same price right now I think I'd be all over the GW instead.

However that is all predicated on the fact that I have yet to see or ride one in person...... things could change dramatically then. :D
 

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K1600GT/GTL Showroom Floor Price Point

The owner of our BMW dealer here in Raleigh feels certain that the starting price for the K16GT will be $1500 above the similiar equipped price for the K13GT, but because they will be delivered from the factory loaded, you can add yet again $1000 to that price! Then, if you want the GTL you can add another $1000 for the base price because it will be bigger and more exclusive than the KGT. But if you start adding factor farkles to that, then you can just imagine what the price of admission will be! He also thinks they won't hit the Showroom floors until the 1300's are pretty much all sold, this should put us in the fall of 2012 or spring of 2013 before we can actually sit on one! So, I say about the K13's: BUY 'em while you can get 'em becuz they are at a reasonable price point now where we can still afford a fine, high performance sport-touring BMW Motorcycle....Before you know it, this brand of bike is gonna be way out of our $ league! -Dr Ron :yeow:
 

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They intro'd the S1000RR in Cologne in Oct. 2009, then it was shopped in Long Beach, CA at the Cycle World Show in December. Demo rides began Jan. 26th 2010. First shipments arrived in March 2010. My order on Jan. 26th - following damn demo ride! - showed up 3 months later to the day in April.

I would expect to see much the same happen to the K1600GT. Probably will show up in U.S. dealers around late Jan. 2011 for demo rides after a dealer orientation meeting in mid-Jan. Pre-orders will be starting around Nov. much like the S, although there is one guy in the 1600 forum elsewhere (Thorxxx?) with a down payment on one right now. Guess if you got money to toss for a down now, dealers may take it.

This bike seems to be a morph of the GT-LT. The RT may be singled as their sport-tourer now and this more of a tourer due to the 800 pound weight alone. Begs the question: "If BMW made an 800 pound S1000RR, would it still be called a sport bike?"


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Well that's kind of a BS quote......NO difference?
I didn't say that cost has no bearing on the decision, I merely said that a thousand dollars wouldn't kill it for me.

Remember also that I don't own a car so a bike is a priority for me, and so I can justify a bit more cash than most folks might part with for a mere toy.

I need to ride the bike first, then decide once I have all the facts (and the exact cost).

I have ridden a Wing, and an LT, and an RT, and a GS, and an FJR, and an ST13, and a Connie14, and a Tiger, and even a Harley. ;) In fact, I could have had many of those bikes for half the cost of the GT.

And if any of those fit me as well as the GT did, then I'd be on one already. Hell, I've probably spent the cost of the GT all over again in tires, maintenance, and unscheduled repairs (you ought to be familiar with that at least, Robert. :))

But right now, this is the bike that works for me, regardless of sticker price or repair costs.

So I think the K1600 really is the K-RT bike that I and many others have been clamoring for for years now. And if it actually does live up to BMW's hype, I imagine that I'll be on one soon enough.

What you or anyone else ends up riding doesn't really have any bearing on that. :)
 

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He also thinks they won't hit the Showroom floors until the 1300's are pretty much all sold, this should put us in the fall of 2012 or spring of 2013 before we can actually sit on one!
I completely disagree. And I think that Mack has nailed it here.

These will hit dealers in 2011. Maybe not in great quantities, but they will be out and on the road by next year.
 

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GMack said:
. . . there is one guy in the 1600 forum elsewhere (Thorxxx?) with a down payment on one right now. Guess if you got money to toss for a down now, dealers may take it.
I know several guys who have laid down cash already. The dealers are more than happy to take it, too.

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This bike seems to be a morph of the GT-LT.
I think this really is a K-RT bike, bridging the difference between the current GT and the LT. I don't know why BMW stuck with the GT designation, or made up the GTL nonsense.

No matter, as mine will end up being a GT-LD no matter what BMW calls it . . .

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The RT may be singled as their sport-tourer now and this more of a tourer due to the 800 pound weight alone.
Where do you get 800 lbs? That's just guessing.

They could bring the base GT version in at mid-600's, close-is to the current GT. I imaging the loaded GTL will be closer to 700 lbs, which is still significantly lighter than the current LT.

Again, it's all just guesswork though.
 

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Yep! I suffered from being an "early adopter" of 97' R1100RT and 06' K1200GT with several issues and recalls. A new engine on a new frame with fancy new electronics sounds a bit scary based on my past experience.
 

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I've had my K12s for 5 years and enjoyed it but I am ready for something a little more comfortable. I rented a new Concorse for a few days on vacation last winter and was pleasantly surprised by it. It is definately on the shortlist. As much as I like the idea of the new 1600 I'll have to see it, ride it for a good long ride then decide. I've been less than thrilled by the local BMW dealer in the last year or two and the next one is 800 miles away - a factor that will weigh in on the decision.
 

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BMW Six Cylinder

Loved my BMW M3. Ran 137,000 miles on it and changed one water pump. Wore out tires on my LT and loved it four years. Zero hassles and never stranded us. Sold in a heartbeat via e-bay. Ran the GT for 16,000 miles and had no hassles at all. Sold it in 2 days on eBay. I have found my cost per mile very low with every BMW I owned. I am buying the new BMW 6 cyllinder 2-wheeler AFTER a test ride. If it fits my body as well as the GT did, I am buying it.
 

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Meese said:
I know several guys who have laid down cash already. The dealers are more than happy to take it, too.

I think this really is a K-RT bike, bridging the difference between the current GT and the LT. I don't know why BMW stuck with the GT designation, or made up the GTL nonsense.

No matter, as mine will end up being a GT-LD no matter what BMW calls it . . .

Where do you get 800 lbs? That's just guessing.

They could bring the base GT version in at mid-600's, close-is to the current GT. I imaging the loaded GTL will be closer to 700 lbs, which is still significantly lighter than the current LT.

Again, it's all just guesswork though.
700lbs for the K1600GT, and I think I remember the GTL was 760lbs. Google Intermot and you can drill down to spec sheets for both.
 

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It could fit me like a velvet lined condom, make me as smooth as Valentino, and come with a guarantee that I'll never crash and I still wouldn't buy the first year of a new BMW that has a new motor, frame, and electronics...I'd have to be nuts.
 

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Certainly BMW has learned a few lessons since the '06 K12GT.

We're willing to deal with any first year glitches, just to eleviate the sheer boredom of riding our GL1800. :)
 
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