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When I push out the side stand on my K75, it will always be pulled back in. That is, there's no position where it will stay extended. This means that resting the bike on the side stand is a quite risky business, as I have to lean the bike over while holding the stand out, and if I let go of the stand too soon it will fold in and the bike will be leaning over with no support.

I suppose this is not by design? Every other bike's side stand I've seen will automatically "stick" in the extended position.
 

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tricky kickstand

This is an odd and inconvenient kickstand, it's true.

First off, some Kraut genius with way too much time on his hands decided to link the kickstand to the clutch lever. I have to either turn the engine off or get her out of gear before the thing will even deploy. I am about to snip the cable that does that.

Secondly, I also have some of the prob you report. I stick the sidestand out, it flops back several inches, I have to engage the kickstand pad with the ground, then roll back, to make sure the stand will fold forward and lock instead of folding aft and dropping the sumbidge. I figure one day I will look into the springs. Maybe they are stretched out.

Third, she leans over so far you wonder if she's going all the way.

Some old airheads had a "switchblade" sidestand that flicked up automagically every time you tilted the bike to vertical. Everyone cussed this feature. There was a little known fix for this, though. I forget just what. A fat slotted screw that you turned half a turn or something. A whole lot of airhead jockeys installed an aftermarket sidestand, I think called a Brown sidestand, when if they had known they could just have twirled this screw. I wonder if the wee brick has a similar screw?
 

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Ocelot said:
First off, some Kraut genius with way too much time on his hands decided to link the kickstand to the clutch lever.
Ok, that I didn't know. It's never worked on my bike for the four months I've owned it out of its 24 years of existence. I suppose this could have something to do with the excessively heavy clutch operation too. Time to pull out the wrenches I suppose.
 

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Yep. The idea is that as soon as you pull the clutch the kickstand retracts.
 

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frodef said:
When I push out the side stand on my K75, it will always be pulled back in.
I suppose this is not by design? Every other bike's side stand I've seen will automatically "stick" in the extended position.
It should "stick" in the extended position until the clutch lever is pulled. Then it should fully retract (obviously, if the bike is leaning on the sidestand the clutch will be impossible to pull)
Yours needs adjusting and or cleaning. When it's working right it's a nice feature. I use liberal amounts of WD-40 to clean the grime off the pivot-linkage mechanism. There is a weird nut (#7) on the threaded rod that pulls the sidestand in that you can adjust. If it's not letting the stand extend you may need to back it off.
 

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I don't know about your particular bike, but my K100RS has two "return springs" on the side stand. The tension on these two springs not only returns the sidestand to stowed positon for riding but it also acts a source of tension to keep the sidestand in the "overcenter" position for parking use. Make sure the return spring(s) are there, are hooked up correctly, and that they have tension on them. I need to replace my springs and sidestand at some point due to wear and fatigue.

If all is good regarding springs and tension make sure to follow Chaos advice to make sure the clutch return rod is adjusted properly to allow for the center stand to actually reach the "overcenter" position.

As for me I really enjoy having the return feature on the sidestand. Especially when I have the bike loaded down for a trip. My personal thought is to not disable that feature since the bikes are not equipped with a sidestand kill swith like my Yamaha Vision. I have watch too many guys at vintage shows and HD cruises pole vault on the side stand due to a momentary lapse in checks before take off.
 

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I've looked at the bike now and there's no sign of any sort of linkage to the clutch lever. Some quick googling seems to indicate that there are indeed models without this mecahnism (mine is an '86 K75C, european). And, to enable "sticking" operation, I have to take off (by hack-saw) a metal tap that stops the two retracting springs from settling in the extended position.

So it would appear that the "always auto-retract" is by design. I find this very strange.

The tap I mentioned would make sense if there was a clutch-linked holding mechanism... Perhaps it's a matter of parts being mixed up at assembly (or when some PO replaced something).

Anyhow, I'll take off the tap and the stand should "stick", with zero clutch involvement.
 

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Thinking about it some more... :confused:

Every other bike I've seen (all of them newer that this '86) had an electronic sensor on the side-stand that ensured you couldn't drive with the stand extended. Typically by killing the engine if the stand was extended and the engine not in neutral.

I've assumed there was such a sensor on this bike too, but I couldn't actually see any. In light of this, things are making a bit more sense: always auto-retracting is one way (albeit very primitive) to ensure you're never driving with the side-stand extended. The clutch linkage thing is another. Must say I'm a bit surprised there's no electronic sensor.
 

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I'm pretty sure that thing isn't there. I'll have another peek tomorrow, though.

I suppose it should be feasible to install a microswitch somewhere and have the side-stand act as an ignition kill-switch... I think I'll look into it, at least.
 

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mine has had the mechanism removed and stays forward just fine. you may be right about it being designed that way, but I would be more likely to believe that some PO has installed things incorrectly ;)

@Ocelot, mine also leans over way too far, to where I have to park on a hill or near a curb to actually use the sidestand. If you take the whole thing off you will likely find that the hole in the sidestand is wallowed out and needs to be drilled out and sleeved. That is what I plan to do to mine when I get a chance. Until then I'll just be working on my core muscles heaving her up onto center all the time!!
 

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Ks lean quite a bit naturally due to the short sidestand.

I parked my K75RT very close to the guard rail on the left side of the road one day to take a picture. A passing rider stopped, lept off of his bike and came running back because he thought I'd crashed. :yeow: I thanked him and explained that it just leaned a lot on the side stand.
 

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better than alternative

Hey, it's better than the alternative. My R1200CLC has such a tall stand that I can't park on the right side of any road, because a slight crown will tip the thing over. Even in a parking lot I have to find some downhill and turn the bike so the stand is going that way. Always have to turn the bars hard left to increase the lean. Seriously, I have to strategize just to park. The CLC user manual says always park on a level hard surface. Makes you want to say "Dude, put your keyboard down, walk outside, look down, observe. Now come in and read what you just wrote."

BMW has an odd habit of turning kickstands into challenges.
 

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I modified my GS with a 1" aluminium spacer bolted under the stand....that bike was very scary on the lean.....but the guys on ADVrider now seem to use a hockey puck cut the right shape on a bandsaw and held with 2 machine bolts for a spacer. I never had a problem with the K100RS but did have a shorter rear shock on it.

On the K1200RS I did not like how small the footprint of the stand was, so made a SS plate that adds another 50% to the "footprint", lots less digging into soft materials/asphalt. There is a few aftermarket options for that too, but I did not like the prices....! :(
 
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