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Hello, I'm new to this site and have been a RT guy for a number of years. I'm currently riding a 2002 R1150RT and thinking of a switch to a K1200GT. Two questions, are there any issues with the first year 2004 GT's I should be aware of?

Second, I'm primarily a long distance touring guy and can seldom get out without my wife tagging along. The RT is a great two-up ride and has always been terrific touring bike with loads of storage space with three bags. How do you "GT" guys rate your bikes for multi-state touring and general commuting? Any feedback would be welcome.......

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Any body with a handle like caddis has to be a fly fisherman- like myself.

I came off an R1100R, not exactly an RT, but I can tell you, you will be impressed with the power. The handling is great. The storage is similar, if similarly equipped. You will miss the radio if you had one, and dash storage. All the rest is great. As for first year problems- remember that this bike IS the RS, which was in production late 96... only difference is the fairing.
Did I mention the power?
 

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Second, I'm primarily a long distance touring guy and can seldom get out without my wife tagging along. The RT is a great two-up ride and has always been terrific touring bike with loads of storage space with three bags. How do you "GT" guys rate your bikes for multi-state touring and general commuting? Any feedback would be welcome.......

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Not many issues with the K12GT. The only troubling issue was an set of defective ECU's that were replaced under a selective recall. Not all the bikes were effected, but ask the owner if he knew about the issue and had it dealt with. If the bike idles properly (~1k), then it should be fine. The bad ECU mapping gave issues on cold start ups, but after it was warm the bike ran great.
Depending on how the milage and how aggresive you ride. You might want to replace the stock suspension aroun 24k miles. Some riders opt to install ohlins or wilbers, which are little more expensive, but the ride is simply transformed.

As for packing - I travel light and solo, so I have never ran into problems packing up everything. Plus it sounds like you have a top case, which probably can be fitted to the K12GT.

I say buy the bike!
 

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I just got my 04 GT and love it. It's by far the smoothest bike I have ever had in 30+ years of riding. Wouldn't trade or sell it for anything. There are a few minor issues it does seem though. Mine seems to run a little hot if you are doing anything under 40 mph and the cold starting issue. Right now, I am looking into ways to get the temperature down more under the 40 mph range.
 

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Don't worry about the high temperature issue. Once the fans kick in, the bike will be fine. As for the cold start issue. Talk with your local service manager and get a new ECU installed. BMWNA should cover the expense as a warrenty. I just read someone else on the board just had their ECU replaced for no charge. It might be worth doing a search and talking with them.

ONON-
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I just got my 04 GT and love it. It's by far the smoothest bike I have ever had in 30+ years of riding. Wouldn't trade or sell it for anything. There are a few minor issues it does seem though. Mine seems to run a little hot if you are doing anything under 40 mph and the cold starting issue. Right now, I am looking into ways to get the temperature down more under the 40 mph range.
 

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hopz, you're right on about the fly fishing. That's been my #1 thing next to riding for many years....

Just like any kid looking at new toys, I've scoured everything I could find on-line. I appreciate the feed back from all of you and I’ve found it’s been hard finding any real negative chatter on this bike. I do have a couple additional questions:

• I have a top case for my RT at this time. I’ve spotted an OEM bracket that adapts the RT box to the GT. Is there a part number for this? Or, are there other BMW case options that have worked well for you…..
• I currently own a ZUMO that’s mounted to a RCU shelf on my RT. The GT RTU shelf looks to block a rider’s line of sight to L & R gauges on the dash. Is there a better setup for the GPS mount?
• I also have a full size Big Mak Explorer tank bag on my RT. Any of you guys running with this type tank bag?

As you can tell I like a fair amount of storage and the Mak tank bag has been one of the best quick release tank bags I’ve had on any of my bikes.

Hey, thanks to all again! Can’t wait to check this bike out tomorrow……
 

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caddis, well not only am I another fly fisher, I am a zumo guy too. In fact I am one of the two moderators over at the zumo550 forums...

Anyone with zumo issues can reach me over there, or here... with questions.

As for mounting options- apparently there are many, but I have not found mine yet.

There is a RAM Stem Mount with 1" Ball that "they" claim will fit (somehow) into the stem nut- under that silver dollar sized cover... but I have not yet been convinced that will work.

There are some really neat installations that require drilling the top tripple tree, but I am NOT gonna do that- no way Jose'.
 

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check for seals?

check the service records to see if seals have been replaced on the kgt. my '04 has had both clutch and main seals replaced under warranty. the total job was over $2000!!! i personally think bmw should have had a recall on these bikes that yr, but wtf, if they fail, they fail. look for misting at bellhousings, it means seals are seeping. other than that, bike has been perfect!
 

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hopz, you're right on about the fly fishing. That's been my #1 thing next to riding for many years....

Just like any kid looking at new toys, I've scoured everything I could find on-line. I appreciate the feed back from all of you and I’ve found it’s been hard finding any real negative chatter on this bike. I do have a couple additional questions:

• I have a top case for my RT at this time. I’ve spotted an OEM bracket that adapts the RT box to the GT. Is there a part number for this? Or, are there other BMW case options that have worked well for you…..
• I currently own a ZUMO that’s mounted to a RCU shelf on my RT. The GT RTU shelf looks to block a rider’s line of sight to L & R gauges on the dash. Is there a better setup for the GPS mount?
• I also have a full size Big Mak Explorer tank bag on my RT. Any of you guys running with this type tank bag?

As you can tell I like a fair amount of storage and the Mak tank bag has been one of the best quick release tank bags I’ve had on any of my bikes.

Hey, thanks to all again! Can’t wait to check this bike out tomorrow……
"The Gadget Guy" makes a nice above-dash mount setup for the Zumo. If you get all the parts, I think it's around $150 or so, but it doesn't block the gauges, and doesn't block the view of the road too much.

Take a look here:

http://www.gadgetguy.net/PhotoGallery/BMW K1200GT_Zumo550_above_dash/BMW_K1200GT_Zumo550_above_dash.htm

Top case mount can be found here (hope you know someone that reads French):

http://www.recchia-motos.com/recchianew/index.php
 

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Save back some money for farkles and tickets.Ever fly fish for small mouth bass?It's true that happiness is a small mouth on the end of your fly!
 

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I bought a used '04 K12GT about 3 months and 3,000 miles ago. I love it. The engine is awesome. So much power at any RPM and soooo smooth. This is the least-farkled bike I have owned, I only added a marsee corona tank bag and an aeroflow windshield. No need for risers or a aftermarket seat, after a couple thousand miles it feels just right. I could afford to buy a new one but I like this one too much.

 

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... are there any issues with the first year 2004 GT's I should be aware of?
Here's a list of the more common stuff to look for:

1) Engine rear seal / tranny input / clutch slave cylinder leaks (big job). Symptoms are oil stain at engine to transmission mating line and slipping clutch if it gets bad.
2) Failed plastic fuel line Quick-Disconnects. Replace them with metal versions.
3) Failed headlamp ground line. You'll lose both high and low beam. The high beam indicator will stay lit. Hopefully you've added some PIAA's, you'll want better lighting at night anyways.
4) Faulty ECU's that cause poor cold idle / off-idle performance on some '03's and '04's. BMW may still replace if the VIN is within the specific range of potentially affected bikes.
5) Possible over-heating, typically due to a failed radiator cap. Early K-RS's had a problem with seized fans, but that was corrected prior to the GT becoming available.
6) Loc-tite and tighten the screws for the rear rack. They seem to want to come loose.

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... How do you "GT" guys rate your bikes for multi-state touring and general commuting? Any feedback would be welcome.......

JB
The GT is a great all-arounder. As a commuter, I've ridden it daily to work, year-round in Colorado and now in the shadows of the Sierra in western Nevada, down to single digit temps. Heated grips, seat, and Gerbings make this possible. The only place it isn't happy is in stop-and-go city traffic, due to its weight. My GT has confidently carried me on two SS1k's (only 1 documented though), and many 1- and 2-up camping trips across CA, NV, CO, UT, NM, AZ, and WY.

The GT handles two-up touring, Iron Butt rides across the states, moto-camping, and canyon runs at the edges of the tires with equal aplomb. It's lean on space for two-up moto-camping, but will be fine if you are hotelling it. Just give the SO the right side pannier and top bag, you get the smaller left pannier and tank bag.

Moto-camping with the SO and GT in Auburn, CA this year:

 

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I spent some time on a 2004 GT yesterday. It's a very different ride from my RT, but what a sweet ride. City riding was just OK as the bike is a bit top heavy. Open road travel was a completely different story. All of this feed back has been good, but for my upcoming trip I’ll be sticking with the RT. The GT will definitely be a future scoot, the 2004 style soot’s my design tastes, in fact I think it’s one of the best of the BMW's.

Again, thanks to all for taking the time to give your thoughts, they are all filed in my “K” bike folder for future reference!

Hey Jim, I do fish for smallies, we have some great small mouth water in Eastern Washington, but if I had to choose, big trout get the nod…….
 

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I have an 04GT and I love it. I also do a lot of long trips two-up and found the bike to be excellent. I have fitted it up basically as a mini-LT. I added jumbo side cases (extra storage), put a RT topcase on the back, added flaring boxes, set it up with XM Radio, Zumo, iPod, Bike to Bike and Autocom. Also installed a AeroFlow Tourning screen and a Russell Daylong heated seat with driver backrest. Raised the handlebars and lowered the pegs. Put a set of Wilbers on and a Remus exhaust. I am now set for life:)
 

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When riding 2 up I attach a Stealth backrest (from Pirate's Lair). Once installed, it takes seconds to put the padded backrest on and to take it off again. It has a very unobtrusive assembly that fits perfectly under the existing grabrail (see fist pic below).

If you are riding solo and want some extra luggage capacity, I'd suggest the pacsafe tailsafe bag that sits on the rear seat. It locks onto the bike and has wire mesh through it so cannot be slashed open (see second pic below).

I've had my 03 model for nearly 2 years and have travelled 20,000 km in that time. It is a great bike. The only real issue I had was the ABS processor started malfunctioning. My local BMW dealer replaced it free of charge (would have cost me about $2000 so I was happy with that!!).

The only real gripe I have is that it is a bit heavy, so slow traffic trips can be a bit of a drag. Once you hit the open road though ... joy!

Hope you have a great time riding your new steed.
Cheers.
 

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