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So for 15 years I've been riding BMW's and singing their praises. NO MORE!

Hiking in Death Valley today I come back to the trail head, get on the bike hit the ignition and it starts up making the noise like it used to before I had the cam reservoir changed. (It hasn't made that noise in the 2 years since).....Only a LOT worse, and it doesn't go away. Over the next 15 seconds or so it gets even worse and sounds like the engine is going to fly apart. In that time frame I managed to ride about 100 feet. The yellow caution comes on and goes to red. Then the bike just dies. It will turn over but doesn't fire. Trust me when I tell you that this isn't a noise that you ever want to hear.

So I spend the next several hours hitch hiking, waiting at the visitor center for the tow and being very pissed off. No rooms any where in the valley. No rooms in Pharump either. But I had a room in Beatty. But the bike will need to go to Vegas. What to do....can't tow it to Beatty, can't stay in Pharump. ARGH!!!! I have gear sitting in a hotel already in Beatty. OH man now I'm ready to shoot some body.

Only silver lining was that the tow driver was very cool and took me all the way to Vegas. And his son, for 100 bucks is driving 200+ miles round trip to pick up my things from the room in Beatty, and dropping them off here in Vegas. AAA and some very cool people to the rescue.

We took the flat bed right to BMW Las Vegas and dropped the bike right in front of their service entrance. They were closed by the time I got to cell service but I left them a message. Hopefully I will at least hear something tomorrow.

So now I'm holed up in Vegas with a dead bike that could be REAL spendy to fix. Not to mention that it didn't sound like it was going to be a quick fix. It's already cost me an arm and a leg and too much aggravation.

If any of you guys have any ideas of what the hell could go bad quick like that, I'm all ears. I'm typing from a hotel machine but I'll check back and let every one know when I can.

Signed.....VERY pissed in Vegas. (and not even the good part of Vegas....)
 

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Mmmmm, sounds like a six pack, a hooker and a pizza is required for now!
 

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I live in Vegas and have taken my ride to our local dealer many times (BMW of Las Vegas). I can say that you are in good hands. Service manager, is friendly, professional, and really easy to work with. They have a knowledgeable staff and perform service work with high quality results. Good luck, I hope the damage is not to bad.
 

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Sorry to hear Robert. Sounds like no oil pressure or cam chain system. Keep us posted. :ghug:
 

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Will be VERY interested to see what they find.

Sounds like the cam chain jumped and grenaded the valves and pistons.
 

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Dadicool59 said:
Mmmmm, sounds like a six pack, a hooker and a pizza is required for now!
Well, I did eat a pizza last night. ;) But the six pack along with the amount of anger I'm experiencing at the moment would not be a good combo.

Funny thing was when I finally got to Pharump, which is the big town an hour or so north of Vegas there were no rooms to be had. The tow truck driver actually gave me the # to one of the local "ranches". I was very hesitent to call but he assured me that they had just regular hotel rooms too. So I called but they too we're filled up. ( No pun intended.)

Patiently waiting for the dealer to open. Think I'm going to catch a flight home and come back in a couple of weeks if they can fix it.

What really sucks is I'm not sure I'll ever be able to trust the bike again. At the very least I'll always have that nagging feeling when I'm hundreds of miles from no where. :(

I'll keep you guys posted.
 

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Least you got to Las Vegas and not stuck in Death Valley. Worse would have been if you were off-road on a GS in that area.

Too bad Tuesday is a State holiday so the dealer in Las Vegas won't be open until Wednesday to sort out your bike. :yeow: Parts will probably show up next Tuesday if they order them on Thursday as most seem to do if you miss their Tuesday order date. Might be there a while.

I'd take Dadicool's advice and find a masseuse/hooker combo. Pahrump would have been a better and legal choice and you could have gotten a free ride in their limo back to Vegas, but the cost of 'services rendered' would have defrayed the tow guy too. The courtesan might have talked the madame into taking their truck and supply trailer for your bike back to Vegas though. Would have made for an interesting read, or the biggest lie ever told later on.

I doubt if the odds makers will favor gambling your way out of the financial mechanical drain that goes with this sort of stuff. Vegas probably has their slots set pretty tight now.

Aside, they do rent bikes in Vegas. Maybe they will give you a loaner and then you might run up to Mt. Charleston lodge for a steak meal while you wait it out. :confused:

This sort of crap happens with bikes or cars. Makes it "An adventure" and I've been on that ship too. The BMW Owner's guide and its members can get you out of the funk sometimes too. Good luck. You could be broke down in a much less favorable spot (read expensive) and Vegas is pretty economical now with their rates.

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If you have AAA, I've used it and Hertz rental brought me a car to the dealer and I kept it and drove it home and then back to the dealer when they got my bike up and running again (unlimited mileage). Once I got back to the dealer, I drove the rental back to their agency and their runner drove me to the dealer and I was off again. The airport would have made the logistics a bit more difficult and costly. The flying layover worked against my driving time as well (500 miles flying vs. rental car rate was enormous!). Cost of a Uhaul with their very high per mile charge and equally bad mpg numbers to take the bike home was totally out of site.

Las Vegas dealer has had good reviews lately though so I wouldn't hesitate letting them sort it out.


Mack (...oh, pulling your chain on the state holiday closure too!)
 

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+1 on BMW Vegas. A very friendly and fair crew there! I was running back and forth across the desert this winter and used them a couple of times. Just routine maint no major problems however.

Sorry to hear your problems, hopefully it'll be an easy fix.......

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Robert_W said:
What really sucks is I'm not sure I'll ever be able to trust the bike again. At the very least I'll always have that nagging feeling when I'm hundreds of miles from no where. :(
I know that feeling. I never took another trip on the bike I put 265,000 miles on, once the oil pump died on me in the mountains. I finally sold it a few years later. I rode it locally after repairing it, but just never could convince myself that it was okay to hit the open road again.

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"Where'd Robert go?"

I called the Western on Fremont, but they had an issue with some nekkid guy streaking through their casino. Saturday night drunk or maybe Robert has totally lost it? :confused:

I know you can get by in Las Vegas for less than $19 a day. Many do it, even Stinky and Matt did it here:

Matt and Stinky live it up in Las Vegas for <$19 per day.

Man, only $8.72 for a room at the Western. Robert will save enough for a down on a new bike at those rates - even if his engine has blown cam chunkies all over the place.


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Yep, that sucks...I know the feeling.

Read this thread: http://www.k-bikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20035&highlight=chain+tunnel

As you can see I had what I think is the same thing happen, although not in DV. Take heart that the racket does not necessarily mean that the cams & valve train are toast. I was amazed that after all that noise that it was only the oil pump chain.
 

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Robert,

As another '07 GT owner, I sure hope it wasn't this problem -->. Broken Cam.
It took quite a while to fix this, and as much as I love the bike, my confidence just isn't the same any more. That, and the fueling problems that persist.
 

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BMW's complete lack of quality control!

Alright, I'm back home after a day of traveling yesterday. I hate airports. Especially big airports like Vegas. Man there's more plastic and silicone walking through their than in Hollywood! ;)

OK the bike:

Casey, whom is now the service manager at Las Vegas BMW called me as I was getting off the plane here yesterday afternoon. These guys have been great to work with so far btw I hope the trend continues. :clap:

The initial diagnosis before digging too deep shows that out of all the bolts holding down the cam shaft, 1 has completely sheered off and is gone, probably chewed up, another had backed it's way out and is most likely at the bottom of the oil pan, and the rest were all so loose that they could unscrew them by hand! :yeow: :wtf: I think there were a couple others missing too but I was having a hard time keeping track as he was counting off the busted bolts. Needless to say a free spinning cam has a tendency to really screw things up....BAD....and has. There was other damage too but I was so pissed listening to him list it off that I didn't make detailed mental notes. They'll know more after digging deeper. I'm not even sure I want to know the rest. :( His initially reaction was that some one must have left the bolts loose after working on it. But no one has ever done anything of the sort.

There was also no warning to this happening. Which seems strange to me but I guess it came down to one bolt that was hanging on for dear life then just broke loose and all hell started.

This is purely a factory issue. There is just no way that those bolts were torqued properly to begin with. And if they were then this is just another glaring quality control issue that BMW has. Those bolts shouldn't have to be touched....EVER. I don't care if there's 150k on the motor.

BMW needs to step up to the plate and take care of it. Time will tell. I'm sure it will take a while but I'll be dammed if I'm going to shell out many 1000's more on this bike. Just way too many issues already. (At least my final drive hasn't blown........yet) :(

I stopped in at my local dealer on the way home yesterday and no one there, or at Vegas, or any where else for that matter has ever heard of this happening. And they all agree that the torque spec on the bolts holding down the cam shaft is NOT something that would be checked at regular service intervals.

This bike has 39,800 or so miles on it and has ALWAYS been serviced regularly. (Synthetic oil the whole way) Except for 2 oil changes and assorted farkles by me, all other service has been with either Beaudry BMW in Spokane WA or A&S in Sacramento. Both of whom I have great respect for. I'm pretty sure that all these guys will go to bat for me with BMW but what a royal pain in the ass this is going to be.

I love this bike, but have almost (99.9%) completely lost faith in BMW and it's quality control. This is just totally unacceptable. I've had lawn mowers with more hours on their motors, and I sure as hell didn't take care of them any where near the way this thing gets looked after!

If I hadn't had an RT last me almost 10 years before this bike, I'd be dumping this bike in a heart beat.....I might any way.....well that and the fact that when it works it's just an awesome machine. However that wears off REAL quick after the myriad of endless bull shit. (Air box, BBS, high idle, stalling, Antenna ring, Cam reservoir, clutch judder, squeal, etc etc etc.) Standing in the middle of Death Valley while the endless droves of rent a bike Harleys drive by your broken down piece of crap GT will make you think twice...or more.

You guys might want to think about having the torque checked on your cam bolts, and any thing else you can check, the next time you or your shop has the thing apart. Could save you a lot of trouble. I'd like to think that I'm the only one that this is going to happen to but given the history of these bikes it won't surprise me to hear of more of this same issue.

I sure hope BMW steps up to do the right thing.....which in my brain is at the very least give me a completely new motor.....or maybe take the bike and give me a really sweet deal on a new one....or a GSA....not sure I want another GT at this point. Well, I want a GT....just not the issues. If they don't make it right I'm thinking of trailering the bike to south central LA or similar for and over night stay. :yeow: :wtf: :confused: :D

I realize that there are inherent risks that come with owning a bike and traveling cross country. But at some point it just becomes completely absurd. Maybe a class action law suit would wake these folks up. The amount of time, money, and aggravation that has gone into this machine for me now has passed a line. It's one thing to be close to home or limp into a dealer with a problem. But another thing entirely to be days from home with a worthless bike. BMW used to be known for bullet proof quality. Not any more. I can never ever again look at any other bike any think "Man, I'm glad I bought the GT instead!" Which just sucks.... :(

Any way I'll keep you guys posted.
 

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Robert,

As another '07 GT owner, I sure hope it wasn't this problem -->. Broken Cam.
It took quite a while to fix this, and as much as I love the bike, my confidence just isn't the same any more. That, and the fueling problems that persist.
Dude, thank you very much.....excellent info in that post. Sounds very similar to what I'm experiencing. Vegas BMW is going to send me pics at some point and I'll bet we see a lot of the same issues. And my CAM reservoir was replaced after 12k too.

Yup, at this point a new motor is the only thing that would ever leave me feeling "some what" confident about riding this machine again.
 

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Just wondering. Have you had your valve shims adjusted recently?
 

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Just wondering. Have you had your valve shims adjusted recently?
Nope....all was AOK when they looked at roughly 32k and they didn't touch a thing.
 

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How do cam bolts decide to work themselves out after 40K miles?

I'm not saying its not BMW's fault or its the dealer's fault. But something just doesn't jive. :confused:

Unless, the cam to sprocket bolts sheared off, then the chain jumped the sprocket, then the valves crashed and the cam caps loosened? I don't know.
 

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Robert,

First I'm very sorry to hear what happened to your engine and where it decided to happen. Second, something really doesn't make sense as far as what the dealer claims failed. They may have correctly identified what ultimately caused the death of your engine but I have to believe that the reason the cam bolts came loose has to be the result of something else. Regardless, I sincerely hope that BMW doesn't leave you hanging with the total cost to replace the engine. Let us know what BMW decides.

John
 
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