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One thing the new GT will have to do, much better than my current GT is handle better on technically difficult roads. (Yes, I am interested in the new GT despite the visual blahness.) I understand the new GT wheel base will be longer than the S to add stability in touring mode, so right out of the box it will not handle like the S, that and the extra pounds, and any differences in the front end geometry must be taken into account as well.

That said, can the folks that came off the old KRS to the new S compare and contrast the handling of the two machines?

1. Does it turn in easier?
2. What kind of feedback do you get from the front end--does it feel light, heavy?
3. Was it a huge difference in handling in comparison from the RS, if so it what way?
 

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1.) yes much
2.)feels much more precise than the RS def lighter feel than the RS
3.) It is a quantum leap better than the RS. First time I rode the bike on familar roads I was on par with cornering level of my RC51/996 example 35 mph corner, K1200RS nice pace 70-75mph RC51/996/K12S 85-90mph
 

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Bandera said:
One thing the new GT will have to do, much better than my current GT is handle better on technically difficult roads. (Yes, I am interested in the new GT despite the visual blahness.) I understand the new GT wheel base will be longer than the S to add stability in touring mode, so right out of the box it will not handle like the S, that and the extra pounds, and any differences in the front end geometry must be taken into account as well.

That said, can the folks that came off the old KRS to the new S compare and contrast the handling of the two machines?

1. Does it turn in easier?
2. What kind of feedback do you get from the front end--does it feel light, heavy?
3. Was it a huge difference in handling in comparison from the RS, if so it what way?
Bandera,

The S handles better in every way. It turns in easier than the RS (how much easier depends on the tires), feels much lighter and more responsive. The RS takes a lot of work to hustle around turns; the S feels "alive," it anticipates your moves. The additional power and ease of throttle movement also make the S much, much better in the twisties. Before I got my S I thought the RS could handle the twisties fine, although it took work. Now I realize that the RS is something of a tub! I now use it when riding the slab. All backroad work is done with the S.

As an added bonus, the S is actually more comfortable than the RS in all situations. It's an incredible bike.

Ken
 

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I agree with the above assessments. I nearly mastered my KRS for twisties - never quite got over the heavy feel to the front and the deliberate turn-in thinking required to do it well. On my KR (not KS, sorry) the front is definitely lighter feeling. What I notice is a total lack of any sensation from the front as I use it. Not a lack of feel, per se, as much as a totally neutral feel. It takes all I give and does the job, but I am still getting used to the difference in that duolever from the telelever.
 

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Agree With Ken

I would agree 100% with what Ken said... Night and day. If I had the two bikes sitting in my garage, the RS would never get ridden EXCEPT for straight line, long distance touring... And it has NOTHING to do with the extra horsepower. I still think the RS is more comfortable, but.. I'm still tweaking the ergo's on my S so the jury isn't in on that.

There is lts more turn in but this can be controlled my tire choice. You get used to that and actually like it after a while. Mine came with Pilot Powers which feel fine and stick great, but I'm gonna change them to a more "neutral" feeling tire when I've trashed these. The Pilots have a "V"-ish profile which makes them prone to turn in anyway. Can't say a thing bad about the tires. They do make the bike feel lighter than it is.

There is a lack of sensation from the front. .. Very neutral which is good for most.. disapointing for others. .. Kind of like the difference of a 1970's Caddy going 100mph and a Porshe 911. In one you FEEL the car and what it's doing..... the other you just have the sensation that you are moving fast, but you are isolated. I can't tell whether I'm on sure footing or sliding when deep, hard in a curve until the tire just goes. It's not much worse than the RS in that respect.. Just different. I'm guessing that like the rest of the bike, I'll get used to it and adapt. I still have under 1K miles on mine so I'm still in the learning curve. IMHO, BMW did hit the mark on this. The Hossack front end works perfectly on THIS bike.

The last time I ran the RS through Deals Gap I got physically ill it was so much work. I can't wait to see what the S can do in the spring. WoooHoo!!

Bottom line.. the S out handles the RS in virtually every way. It's much easier to ride slow or fast... it's just not as sexy. My 2 cents.
 

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I Agree With Everyone Here But It Has Only One Flaw.
If You Ride Into 50mph Wind Or More You Get Tossed Around,all Over The Road
I Beleve It's The Counter Effect From Being To Light To Steer, But You Will Be Heavier With The Gt Version So The Effect Will Be Less

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The last time I ran the RS through Deals Gap I got physically ill it was so much work.
This is really the issue at the root of my question about the new K. I really like my GT and the guys I ride with say I can ride it faster through the technical stuff than anyone else they know, but it comes at a price. I have to work my tail off, and come away exhausted when when we play for more than a few hours.

The new GT solves the fuel range, luggage and likely the buffeting problems. If the steering is as good as my old RT I'll purchase one, ugly girl looks and all.

I appreciate the responses so far.
 

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Pirate has nearly completed his journey to the REALLY dark side, except for a couple of things. One is to ride the RS again after getting used to the S, and seeing just how hefty the old girl really is. The other is to realize that the S is actually better looking too. . . . :D Call me a sucker for the sleek, long, low, and stuffed with enormous black engine look.

The S is better in nearly all aspects than the RS/GT, except for wind protection and carrying capacity. It is a MUCH better handling bike. I put both my other bikes up for sale within a couple of weeks of getting my S because I knew I would never voluntarily ride either again. (Now, the new GT might be a different story. . . ) BTW, I do not expect the new GT to have a longer wheelbase than the S, so they will likely handle very much alike. It's not like the S chassis isn't already pretty long:

S: 61.85"
RS: 61.0
RT: 58.2
LT: 64.4
 

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yeah give Jerry awhile longer and he will be fully converted, "Resistance is Futile!!!"
 

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kencorsun said:
As an added bonus, the S is actually more comfortable than the RS in all situations. It's an incredible bike.

Ken

Hi Ken,

I'm thinking of selling my CBR1000 AND GT to purchase a K1200S. Is it more comfortable (than the GT/RS) on longer rides? I want a bike like the S if it will handle the longer hauls on occasion. The two 20-min. test rides I took on the S SEEMED like it was far more comfortable, but it would take a 2-hr ride to really know. Most opinions so far seem to indicate that it's a credible sport tourer (except for rear tire wear).

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Hi Ken,

I'm thinking of selling my CBR1000 AND GT to purchase a K1200S. Is it more comfortable (than the GT/RS) on longer rides? I want a bike like the S if it will handle the longer hauls on occasion. The two 20-min. test rides I took on the S SEEMED like it was far more comfortable, but it would take a 2-hr ride to really know. Most opinions so far seem to indicate that it's a credible sport tourer (except for rear tire wear).

Tom
Tom,

I think the S is more than a "credible" sport tourer; it's a superior sport tourer. Even the luggage is fine if it is supplemented with a tank bag and rear pack of some kind when traveling. Tire wear is not bad. I get about 7,000 miles on Metzeler Z6s. (I'm trying Michelin Pilot Roads now.)

Comfort is, obviously, a personal thing (I'm 5'10, 225 lbs). I find the S more comfortable than my K1200RS which has a custom Corbin seat. I lean forward slightly on the S which is quite comfortable; there is almost no pressure on my wrists. Most important is that I bend my knees less on the S. This makes a noticeable difference. My wife (5'3", 110 lbs) and I took a 7,000 mile, 3 week trip this summer and neither of us had complaints about comfort.

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Tom,
Even at my, ahemm, greater girth than most K-S riders, I'm quite comfortable on the S. My KRS was rock solid on the road but I still found myself fidgeting around in the seat to get comfortable on long days....the S not so much if any. The ergos fit this buddha body just fine.
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Having ridden both IMHO the S is a good deal more comfortable than the RS. My legs aren't so cramped on the S and I prefer the forward leaning position. It's very similar to my old ZZR, but even more comfortable.
 

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Came from a GT (and RS) and I can only confirm that the S is better in most ways than both bikes. I was in Lake George last summer and was caught in a short downpour on the way home. My hands got soaked but every other part was mostly dry.
Don't know if the GT would have kept my hands dry but at least the heated grips helped keep them warm even when wet.
I like the side cases as well with the expandable capacity and included inner bag.
Seems also that the aftermarket has jumped on this bike as compared with the slow trickle on the RS/GT's.
Its just a matter of what color you like/want.
Good luck on your decision.
 

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I have a stupid question?

Bandera said:
One thing the new GT will have to do, much better than my current GT is handle better on technically difficult roads. (Yes, I am interested in the new GT despite the visual blahness.) I understand the new GT wheel base will be longer than the S to add stability in touring mode, so right out of the box it will not handle like the S, that and the extra pounds, and any differences in the front end geometry must be taken into account as well.

That said, can the folks that came off the old KRS to the new S compare and contrast the handling of the two machines?

1. Does it turn in easier?
2. What kind of feedback do you get from the front end--does it feel light, heavy?
3. Was it a huge difference in handling in comparison from the RS, if so it what way?
What does a comparison between the K 1200 RS and the new K 1200 S have to do with how the new GT will compare to the old GT?

Speculating..... It looks like the new GT has been redesigned to be much more of a luxury tourer than a sport tourer. Riding position seems to be more like a Goldwing or the LT? If that is the case then it could very well be that the older GT's are going to eat its lunch on "technically difficult roads". What am I missing? The new GT looks like she has been redesigned to be far more comfortable and built for slab. My 03 GT is just an RS with a few touring amenities thrown in? I do not think that you can draw any conclusions for how these bikes are going to match up "GT to GT" by comparing the RS and S. They seem to be entirely different animals.
It will be great to finally get a GT to GT road test comparison. My guess is that the older GT's, built to be more "sport" less "tour" will get more points on the twisties than this new GT.

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What does a comparison between the K 1200 RS and the new K 1200 S have to do with how the new GT will compare to the old GT?
I'm trying to decide if I should put down a deposit on the new GT. I've decided to sell my current GT over the handling issue, so I need some data on how the new GT might handle in advance of an actual test ride report. There should be a correlation (RS to S)/(Old GT to New GT) and that is why I asked.

What I've heard so far is encouraging. The new GT could be the perfect bike for what I am looking for.
 

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Hope you get one.

When you do post a ride report. It will be interesting to see how it compares to the old GT. They look like two very dissimiliar bikes.
 
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