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First, I'd like to say that I've been an avid BMW rider for the last 15 years (currently riding a 03 K1200GT) and until the latest round of appearance changes, have always loved how BMW's models have evolved. My current K12 is the best BMW I've ever owned (elegant sporting lines, good two-up, superb handling).

With this as a stage setter, did BMW consider any customer input before designing the new K1200GT? Understand there are numerous improvements beneath the skin, but it's that skin (faring, bags) that I can't get by!!! Looks like a K1200LT and R1200RT mated or some sort of aftermarket faring...the bike has totally lost it great lines and sporting look. And it appears as if many other BMW riders agree, with comments to a survey on K-Bikes forum being overwhelmingly negative.

Bottom line...BMW, I love ya, but you've gone in the wrong direction with the new K1200GT...I won't even get into the R-Bikes. Lesson is that change isn't always for the better and I hope that BMW will get the message.

I hope you get the look of the next generation GT right and that my current GT lasts until then.

Any BMW riders out there that feel the same, let BMW know...they've opened a forum at:

http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/board/list


GTr
 

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Retro

It looks alot like they went retro like so many of US car makers have done lately. The new GT resembles the first KRS with changes in newer style headlight and an actual windshield.
 

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I like it. I think it looks fresh and modern. Many complained about the new K1200RS in 98 as compared to the K1100RS. More complained about the 02 redesign, and the GT. And their were many who complained about the look of the S. No matter what BMW designs some will complain... But in the end the bike will still be a home run for BMW. My dealer a pretty big one has his whole first allocation sold out. Maybe for those that don't like the look it will grow on you, maybe not. But what ever ones feelings on the looks there can be no denying that the new GT will be the star of it's market segment.. Wish it was a bit less $$ though :)
 

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If the new GT only had 70 hp, bet no one would be buying it for the looks. It's pure Bauhaus. The innards are what count.

For those who want to sit bolt-upright, this may be the perfect sport touring platform. I'd consider buying one if the handlebars could be lowered enough to get into a good crouch position. Does anyone make bar lowering kits? :D
 

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Larry said:
If the new GT only had 70 hp, bet no one would be buying it for the looks. It's pure Bauhaus. The innards are what count.

For those who want to sit bolt-upright, this may be the perfect sport touring platform. I'd consider buying one if the handlebars could be lowered enough to get into a good crouch position. Does anyone make bar lowering kits? :D
Yes, you can buy the S bike and take them off of it. Better yet, just get the S bike.
 

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I don't like the new GT near as much as my current RS/GT model (03). That said, at the bike show in Chicago this last weekend, I couldn't get to sit on the thing because there were too many people huddled around it. I noticed that the crowd around that bike was bigger than any of the other BMW models...at least while I was standing there. I also noticed that they were all older guys with their wives...not that that's a bad thing !! But they looked like RT/LT riders to me. Just how it struck me at the time. john
 

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I hope BMW sells the heck out of the new GT. From the pictures I kinda like it but will reserve my opinion til I can get a test ride. The new BMW cars get ragged on in the BMWCCA mag all the time yet my local dealer sells every one they get. Old BMW buyers may not be doing the buying so it has to be people new to the brand. The point is as long as they sell regardless of who is doing the buying they can afford to stay in business and hopefully build something that does suit those that don't like the current stuff.
 

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Buy the heck out of the new GT? You are kidding.

I bet the new GT will be fast and will handle great. It will have more storage than my "04 GT. The styling grows on you, change always takes time.

But the price will be the killer. $20,000+ for the bike will really limit the audience. Add to that a shrinking number of BMW dealers and you can figure out the rest.

Since we have lost any dealer within a hundred miles and since the price has gone up so much and since the resale value of BMW's is so poor I know I for one will not be in the market for the new GT.

I am at the point in my life where I can afford this bike. But, considering what I have seen over the past few years with the loss of dealers and such I just can't see this bike in my future. My '04 GT with low mileage is worth about half of what it cost new. I don't feel that anything that cost this much should have to be hauled several hours drive away for basic service or warranty work.

I have a '05 Suzuki DL650 Vstrom as my second bike. It cost less than the first year's depreciation on my K1200GT. Suzuki dealers are everywhere. I have maybe six or eight dealers within a 30-45 minute drive. The Suzuki is not a K1200 but then its not an orphan or a money pit either.

I would LOVE to have a new K-GT when it gets here. I know that this will be my dream bike. Problem is, BMW has made it very difficult for me to part with the consideral money it takes to make what has become a very poor investment.
 

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hans471,you could buy a harley,there are thousands of used ones for sale for really big money.Maybe a really old one,they are even a better investment since there value is rising every year.
 

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Welllll, Here's what I hope for.

I hope the new GT sales are SOOooo slow and few that in the December of 2007 they have a $2,000.00 dealer incentive and BMW makes the first five payments, and offers 2% interest!! Now you watch how many they would sell then. I'll be all over that!

When I was maybe thinking about buying a GT in 2004, I did a little research here and at a few rallies, and what I kept hearing was, well the GT is nothing more than a RS in cheap disguise. Overpriced for what you get, and really not a very comfortable seating and hands position for touring. Also, I kept hearing how the GT was really too heavy to handle sport wise, and very poor handling at parking lot speeds. But Man It looked damn sexy! Except for the Gray/Green one (Sorry Guys) That's why there are still some for sale at dealers. Well, after hearing all that feedback I wanted to test ride it for myself, so I did.
Guess what? I Bought one! I loved all the things everyone took for granted, Great Style, Smooth like I've never felt in all my life. Fast! Oh, and all those negative things that everyone was talking about the GT, Well, BMW helped me except those limitations, with $2,500.00 off the price, 5 free payments, and a great Interest rate! I love my GT!

I would be willing to bet that most of you here that are not fond of the styling would buy the New GT after you test rode one. I test rode the New S. If you think the Older GT/RS is Fast, Your Gonna Crap if you ride one of these. But again, what really blew me away about the New S was how wonderful this bike handled! Man Oh Man! You are truly one with this motorcycle in just your first ride! Since the suspension is pretty darn close on the New GT to the New S and your only loosing a few horsepower, Gaining more storage, better seating position, I'm going to have to muster up all the will power I have and then some to stop from test riding the New GT! Why, I would probably buy one!

Now If those great BMW incentives would only kick in! Do you here this BMW NA?
 

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I owned a 1998 K1200RS and later a 2003 K1200RS. Loved them both. Sold the '03 because the bike was getting long in the tooth (styling-wise) and because, I believe it was designed at a time (almost 10 years ago!) when BMW wasn't sure whether it wanted to build the RS to be a true sportbike or a sportbike/sport-tourer. The brick was refined to it's limit...107hp at the rear wheel. It could do no more.

A couple of my friends have the Yamaha FJR1300. A real sport-tourer with the emphasis on "sport". I couldn't buy one because I am too much of a BMW loyalist.

Enter the 2007 K1200GT. Not coincidentally (since BMW is targeting that market), designed to better the FJR in all categories. Yeah, the new KGT's styling is a little (a lot?) bland. I owned a K1200S for a short time after selling my K1200RS and I can tell those who haven't ridden it that the new in-line 4 will make you forget the flying brick ever existed.

It's 1997 fast-forwarded to 2006. No comparison. None.

Oh, and it's going to sell. Well-----maybe not that beige-colored one.
 

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Take a walk in another's shoes, see how you would feel.

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hans471,you could buy a harley,there are thousands of used ones for sale for really big money.Maybe a really old one,they are even a better investment since there value is rising every year.
After suffering some issues with my '89 K100RS (with only 22,000 miles on it) I went ahead and got the '04 K12GT. I love BMW's and my wife and I agreed on the new K bike. At the time I got mine there were no "sweet deals". So, when they sold you yours for $2500 off with five payments thrown it those of us who missed that just took about a $4000 hit on resale values.

Try to understand that we don't feel the same as you when it comes to our feelings about BMW K12GT depreciation. Others here have echoed this feeling too.

I wasn't planning on buying a new K1200 at the time I got it but when the '89 was crapping out we decided we should let go of it rather than pour another $1000-$2000 into it. So, had it made it for another 10 months I too could have gotten the sweat deal on a left over '04 GT.

You see, I really love BMW's too, maybe ever more than you do. I loved the K12GT enough to buy it WITHOUT the sweat deal. Don't throw that Harley stuff out here. I am the wrong guy for that. I am just faced with taking a hose job when I go to sell it because BMW dumped them cheap. Now with no dealer support within a hundred miles my value just went down again.

Life just isn't always fair. But try to understand that others may not have the feelings you do. Each situation is different. If I had been able to get the deal you did I would feel much differently today.
 

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My deal was $1500 off at 3.9% financing.I rode harleys for 28 yrs so paying high dollar is the morm for me.With the BMW I got a whole lot more motorcycle for the money but I know I will have to ride the deprecation out of it.They aren't a bike you can own 2 or even 3 years and get most of your money back.I do put many more miles on now than I ever did the harleys but I don't worry something is going to happen to the bike if I do.I've owned my GT for two years now and put 32K on it.If this was a high priced harley and not a BMW I would be wondering what's going to happen every time I set out on a trip. Of course there is a dealer,boutique,resturant on every corner to work on it when they break down on you.You are right everybody is diffrent and comes from diffrent riding experiences,mine just happens to be from riding high priced pieces of shit.I have never enjoyed riding so much since switching to BMW's.My maintaince cost are lower and my shop time is near nothing.The last year I owned a harley,5 years ago,it was in the shop 7 weeks out of the summer.I would hate loosing my dealer for sure.If you just hang in there I'm sure the Cinn.area will get something going soon,its got to be a good market area.I am glad I went to Louisville though and got established there,they do take good care of my and my wifes bikes,never a problem with any service,34kon an LT,32k on the GT,and 30K on my wifes 1150RT and I've had a head light bulb go out on both the K's.That's pretty impressive for an exharley guy but I know I can't trade now a come out without loosing money so I'll just ride my GT which I love anyway.I don't know of any bike that holds there value except a harley but you want catch me on one again,I've seen the light.I love to ride and the BMW's are a joy to ride.$20K for a piece of shit or $20K for a great motorcycle,I'll take the BMW every time. Oh,my wife got her 02 RT with 1828 miles on it,it was a demo,for$13K not bad either.There is always incentives you can wait on.
 

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For those who want to sit bolt-upright, this may be the perfect sport touring platform. I'd consider buying one if the handlebars could be lowered enough to get into a good crouch position. Does anyone make bar lowering kits? :D
Don't Need a lowring kit.. from what I can see from this Pic, the bars can be lowered quite substantially :hypocrite
 

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Don't Need a lowring kit.. from what I can see from this Pic, the bars can be lowered quite substantially :hypocrite
Looks like the bars could work with a quick release set-up with the right aftermarket stuff. The release would allow the height to be adjusted without the bars coming off. Maybe even on the fly.
 

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I bought the first blue GT in North Carolina in 2003. I guess I will stick with blue, but still need to see colors in person, SDEMD
 

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Many did not like the look of the new RT when it first came out. No one says it is ugly now!
The new RT is ugly...there! :p
 

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One word......UGLY! I think BMW made a big mistake and fired all of their design engineers and hired a bunch of Japanese designers because it's starting to look like a Jap bike. I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so! The 04' K1200 GT was and is BMW's crowning acheivement. People that complain about depreciation and poor resale value are underestimating the value of their bike. I just put new Ohlins suspension on mine and dropped about 20 lbs of unsprung weight in the process plus got suspension that blows the stock stuff away! If the new GT doesnt come with Ohlins suspension...what a big mistake. I'll take my 04' over the new bike any day.
 

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Styling is just as important as performance (if you want to sell a lot of motorcycles).
Sometimes it's even more important (Harley Davidson).
Wouldn't it be great if they could design a bike with fairing choices?
 
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