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Hey Everyone,

I would really appreciate your opinion on the following.

Scenario: I would like to involve my SO more in riding and hence would like to ensure her total comfort when taking long-distance trips/tours. I currently have a 2001 R1100S and have upgraded as much as I can (I think) to make it as comfortable as possible (new seat, handlebar risers). I am considering obtaining a new bike more geared towards the touring side but also want to retain sportiness.

Options:

1. Trade-in my current bike and buy new K1200GT - would likely have to dish out of my pocket $19,500CDN difference (I'm in Canada).
2. Keep my current bike and buy new (or slightly used) Yamaha FJR1300 - I can pick up a new 2005 FJR for $17,120CDN.
3. Keep my current bike and continue to try and make it more passenger friendly (i.e. ask my SO to suck it up! :) )

Please let me know which option you would select if you were in the same predicament.

Thanks in advance!
 

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i would do everything to make the SO happy and if she's not comfortable on your current bike then you have to consider upgrading to something else. i don't like the heat problem on the FJR and i'm not convinced yamaha has solved it. with the new KGT there's no guarantee she'll be more comfortable on it but i believe it will satisfy your desire to keep something sporty. your best bet is to test ride the FJR and the new GT with your SO and see how she likes it.
 

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Neither the new K12GT nor the FJR1300 will be as light and quick to turn as your R11S, although the power will help make up for size and weight. What is best is what feels best to you. Demo and decide.

What about a K12LT to compliment your R11S? That is as comfy a bike for a passenger as was ever made. It has nowhere near the power of the FJR or the new GT (or current GT), but will eat miles and carry a bunch while doing it.

When the new GT comes out, do a demo on that and the R12RT. I have no idea how they will compare, but the R might be more pillion friendly.
 

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K1200GT Demo Issue

The local (and only) BMW dealer in Calgary is not getting any demo models of the K1200GT. They've been allocated three of them and all are going to be sold. I've put a deposit on one of the three but they will not allow me to ride it as part of the conditions of the sale. I can only look at it and sit on it and have to make my decision based on that - if I want one of the three that is.

Otherwise anyone wanting to ride a K1200GT in Calgary will have to wait for the BMW Test Rides day (BMW Canada tours the country with demo bikes in all models from dealer to dealer) which will be in late May by which time the three allocated to Calgary will have been sold.

Sucks.
 

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remedy451 said:
The local (and only) BMW dealer in Calgary is not getting any demo models of the K1200GT. They've been allocated three of them and all are going to be sold. I've put a deposit on one of the three but they will not allow me to ride it as part of the conditions of the sale. I can only look at it and sit on it and have to make my decision based on that - if I want one of the three that is.
Let me get this straight. This clown wants you to fork out$26,000 (CDN) without ever being able to try the bike to see if you even LIKE it??

No car dealer would get away with that!

Wait a few months until production catches up with demand. Then buy from someone else (maybe in Edmonton).

Bob.
 

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The "heat issue" surrounding the FJR seems to be somewhat rider-oriented. I have an '03 with 40K miles and don't experience the heat. I do wear ATGATT which may have some effect, and the vast majority of my riding is at speed, not is stop-and-go situations so draw your own conclusions. I (and my pillion) find the FJR to be an extremely comfortable tourer, although it is not the same ride as the LT..nor is it meant to be.
Just my $.02
Best wishes on your new steed!
 

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Otherwise anyone wanting to ride a K1200GT in Calgary will have to wait for the BMW Test Rides day (BMW Canada tours the country with demo bikes in all models from dealer to dealer) which will be in late May by which time the three allocated to Calgary will have been sold.

Sucks.

In no shape or form would I buy a bike without a test ride. After having bought a first year version of a BMW bike before I am even more leery of doing that now
 

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Go back to the dealer, get your deposit back, and tell them when you can test ride it alone and with the SO, you'll consider purchasing one. Also, you might contact BMW of Canada and see if they have any "suggestions". The dealers mindset right now probably is everyone wants one and they don't have to offer rides. Other dealers are some distance away, but call and check with them as well. Could very well be that they get to do this on the initial run of the new GT, but don't rush. If it doesn't fit you and the SO, then what? Sell it at a loss and try again?



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I am not sure if you can add a backrest to the 1100, but I added the pirate's backrest to my rs. It is removable. Alot of passengers feel more comfortable being able to lean back and know there is something holding them on behind them.

I would check to see specifically what she has a problem with before you consider buying a new bike. I have ridden with a bunch of people who bought specific bikes and parts to satisfy their passengers, then found that their passengers very rarely ride with them anyway. (writer included...)
 

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remedy451 said:
The local (and only) BMW dealer in Calgary is not getting any demo models of the K1200GT. They've been allocated three of them and all are going to be sold. I've put a deposit on one of the three but they will not allow me to ride it as part of the conditions of the sale. I can only look at it and sit on it and have to make my decision based on that - if I want one of the three that is.

Otherwise anyone wanting to ride a K1200GT in Calgary will have to wait for the BMW Test Rides day (BMW Canada tours the country with demo bikes in all models from dealer to dealer) which will be in late May by which time the three allocated to Calgary will have been sold.

Sucks.
Well they won't sell many in my neighborhood with that attitude. Jeez, even a Porsche driver gets to test them. Someone needs an attitude adjustment.
 

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Hey Everyone,

I would really appreciate your opinion on the following.

Scenario: I would like to involve my SO more in riding and hence would like to ensure her total comfort when taking long-distance trips/tours. I currently have a 2001 R1100S and have upgraded as much as I can (I think) to make it as comfortable as possible (new seat, handlebar risers). I am considering obtaining a new bike more geared towards the touring side but also want to retain sportiness.

Options:

1. Trade-in my current bike and buy new K1200GT - would likely have to dish out of my pocket $19,500CDN difference (I'm in Canada).
2. Keep my current bike and buy new (or slightly used) Yamaha FJR1300 - I can pick up a new 2005 FJR for $17,120CDN.
3. Keep my current bike and continue to try and make it more passenger friendly (i.e. ask my SO to suck it up! :) )

Please let me know which option you would select if you were in the same predicament.

Thanks in advance!

If money is a deal, then you might want to consider the old GT. There are many in the market, with suspender updates, good lights, aftermarket seats, exhausts, chips for a bargain price right now. Then you can trade the old bike and get a hooligan naked for tooling around locallly. Just a thought. Best of both worlds....
 

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remedy451---Last evening I attended the Int'l Motorcycle Show, Wash. D.C., and saw the new K12GT and FJR. I think both of these bikes are excellent for your purpose i.e. riding with your SO. And, riding without your SO will be more spirited on these as compared to the LT. The new GT, loaded, stickers for $20,000+ U.S. It's a matter of opinion as to whether the GT is worth the difference and being that this is a BMW related site, I'm sure most will tell you the benefits of owning the GT. However, I don't think you can go wrong if you decide to purchase the FJR.
Two additional thoughts about the FJR:
1- I believe whatever heat issues, affecting the rider, it had are resolved with the 2006 model.
2- I recently read a post from a Canadian FJR rider who claimed the engine heat is less of an issue in Canada due to your consistently cooler ambient temperatures. In fact, he claimed it extended his seasonal riding.-Al
 

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Since the issue here has to do with passenger comfort I won't get lost in the usual crtique of FJR problems. There are many. However you should be aware that the rear pegs on the FJR cannot be lowered. There is no adapter. The pegs sit almost directly on the mufflers. These pegs are off center of balance for the passenger. With my passenger this resulted in her feeling that she was placed on the bike without support rather than sitting in the bike. If your passenger has average height, say 5'5" then I wouldn't buy the FJR for that reason alone untill she/he gets to spend some time with you on the bike. I changed seats for the Corbin with the length ratio favoring the passenger but that didn't help. I sold the 05 FJR and bought a new 04GT. If all thing were pretty equal pricewise I would buy a new GT. With the price of the new GT's approaching 20K US I would seek another option unless you can afford the GT.
I will probably give the New GT a year or two to sort out the problems which will certainly appear. Then I will buy a new GT. For what it's worth the most comfortable passenger seat out there on any motorcycle is the old model GT comfort seat. Make sure the passenger gets to try one out.
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RE: New Bike Options

Thanks to everyone that responded to my query. For now I have decided to keep my R1100S and add a GIVI topcase and backrest for when my wife rides with me. This option may meet my requirements (won't know until I do it), is the most cost-effective, and I really like my current bike.

Once a test ride of the new K1200GT is permitted we'll go down and try it out and see if, and by how much, its better than the solution implemented above.

Thanks again to all of you for your responses.
 

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There are some deals still hiding out there on '04GT's. Check one out. It might fit the bill and save you some dosh. Several folks really HAD to have the new S and you can find some low mileage deals if you look. Good Luck.
 

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Just my input

This may be a bit different reply, but based on me kind of being in the same boat, I love my K1200S, but get too many complaints from the "Queen". I am really to the point where I am looking for an 02-04 R1150RT, and here is why!
I had an 02 Red Rt that I bought used, with 7k on it, new tires, recent service and a new Corbin, double heated seat with back rest, I never had any complaints about 2 up riding, we even took our small dog on a few trips, we had plenty of room for the wife's shopping excursions, good reason to head out to the outlets malls and for me to get out of walking around for hours, when I can be riding somewhere. The heated seats added to the comfort of cold mornings, or late afternoon rides. We used to ride around the Bay area, and the temperature there is vast when you get toward the coast. Anyway, I traded that in for an 03 Blue-White K1200RS, which was great also, but I ended up putting on a Corbin with a back rest also, which did not turn out to be as comfortable for all day long trips, and thinking back, I like the cruise control on the RS, but the tradeoff is I really hated the heavy throttle (combined with the very forward riding position, even with bar risers) action compared to the very light action of the RT, which was never annoying, I had a throttle meister on the RT but only used it once in awhile to take a break and rest my wrist. For long day rides, this makes a big difference in the overall enjoyment of the day. I liked the power of the K1200RS, but would get punched in the ribs when I would use the power riding 2 up, so the extra power is not a factor. I would also say the largest other factor of picking up an 02-04 RT, besides seeing alot of them in the 10k-12k US$ range, is the large difference in distance on a tank of gas, normally the RT would go 260-280 miles before the light would come on, the RS is usually coming on at 140-160 if you drive like a granny, and normally 120 if you ride in the 80-95 mph range which is normally where you ride an RS because the power is so addicting, and it doesnt seem that fast to the passenger. The RT also seems alot more nimble 2 up, but does not seem as stable as the RS. If you like boxers, that may be the way to go!
So anyway, this is where I am at with the similar dilemma, I really dont want to get rid of the KS, and I dont want to spend alot of cash for a second bike to just doddle along all day long.
I hope this may help!
 

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comfy riding

Have you ever ridden a current RS or GT, with or without the SO? It's quite a step up from the r1100s in stability, power, comfort and smoothness (personal opinions). Give it a try before you fork out funds for the new one you may not like. There are a lot around used for very reasonable pricing with most of the options already.
 
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