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Hello all,

I am currently in Iraq and I am trying to decide what bike to order and have waiting for me when I return to Kansas. I have only owned sport bikes in the past; I guess I love the speed. As I get older, my tolerance for being hunkered down on a sport bike is getting lower. I never could really stand driving more then about a hundred and fifty miles distance at a time on sport bike being 6'4" tall. I still love acceleration but I am also looking for much more comfort! That obviously brings me to the sport touring arena.
The three bikes that I am doing research on are the FJR1300, the Concourse 14 and the K1200GT. The bike I sold before leaving for Iraq was a Honda CBR 954RR. Although it was a great bike and Honda makes good machines, I am not even considering their ST1300 or whatever the model number is. Not enough "sport" in their sport touring offering. I am not really a brand loyal kind of guy. I go for whoever makes the best product at the time of the decision. I am sure the bikes I am considering have been compared many times on this board. The FJR and the C14 come out to around $14K out the door making them a really great bang for the buck.
The 1200GT from using BMW's web site with all of the accessories added comes to $24K, or about ten grand more. Being a gadget guy and having the money to purchase the BMW makes it very appealing. Now the fiscal side of me does hesitate at spending ten thousand dollars more then competitive bikes in their own right. Have many of you gone through a similar thought process? In the end, did any of you ever regret spending such a large sum of money more over the other bikes out there?
Another thing that gives me slight pause is the styling. Although it is attractive, I would not rank it as a really visually stunning bike. I think the FJR 'looks' faster and more aggressive (must be the sport bike lover coming out of me). But of course that is all subjective. A lot of the bike magazines also seem to be all over the road rating wise. One magazine will have the GT at the top and another will have it at the bottom. Although I do think it does average higher ratings overall then lower.
Does BMW ever do special pricing and/or rebates on the GT? Also, when do the new model year bikes hit the dealers? It would be interesting to see what colors and additions/changes are added for 2009. Have people found that buying slightly used might be the route to take? I am sure one could save thousands of dollars taking that route. I am just wondering how hard it would be to find a fully loaded one in the color I prefer.

-Vega
 

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First of all, thanks for your service, and may you and your buddies accomplish your mission and come home safe.

The best advice is to ride them all and decide for yourself. Obviously, that's not really an option here.

Most guys on this site will be BMW biased, although I have read some comparisons here that are much fairer than the moto mags.

I bought the GT and love it. It's a stunning combination of power, technology, and comfort that you just can't get anywhere else. Pure sports bikes are a blast, but after 150 miles you're ready to crawl off of it while I'm not even through my first tank of fuel yet.

As for the three you mentioned, the FJR is like a Camaro: fun, fast, and a bit basic. The C14 is like an NSX: powerful with a bit of technology and styling but still a bit simple. The GT is like an M5: tons of technology married to a killer motor and suspension that you can just as easily ride 1,000 miles in a day, 150 mph, or leaned full-tilt through your favorite twisties.

I don't have a car so I need a bike that can pretty much do everything. For me, the GT just fits.
 

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I think pretty much everyone will tell you to test ride them all, and you really need to.

I test rode the FJR. Nice bike, but the one I rode was a bit buzzy up through the seat.

I test rode the C14. Nice bike, but the one I test rode wanted to stand up in the corners.

I test rode the GT. Nice bike, but the one I rode had the servo assist brakes.

I then started to do some shopping and at the time the C14 wasn't released yet, but I guessimated the price to be somewhere near the FJR. Then I started looking at used GTs and found that for about $2500 more than the FJR and what I THOUGHT the C14 equipped with ABS would come in at, I could get a fully loaded '06 GT ('07s weren't out yet) and decided to go that route. I have not regretted my decision. I like the C14. I like the power. I like the smoothness. But I wanted factory cruise, heated everything, electrical windshield, and the most marvelous thing BMW has ever installed - ESA. Once you've tried the ESA, you'll be spoiled.

Do yourself a favor and test ride each of them. Find the one that speaks to you. It's the only way you'll be sure.
 

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good choices

First, thank you for your service. We all appreciate what you have done.
Second, I did the same type thinking. I had a K1100LT that was perfect. I put 94,000 miles on it and it fit my wife and I for all we wanted to do. I am also 6'4".

BMW did not replact the K1100LT. The K1200LT is a boat, the K1200RS (and old GT is just an RS) is too much a sport bike and has half a bag on the left.

The K1200GT starting in 2006 is the replacement (finally). We looked at the FJR1300, Conny, and the ST1300. The GT fits and is worth the extra $10K. I say, "go for it. And welcome home" :clap:
 

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I'm the odd man out here. I am a Viet Nam vet, so thanks for picking up the torch!

Never did the sport bikes, motocrosser in the 70's instead. Did the cruiser thing mostly since. Got tired of the noise, and short trips between eats, the formation riding was kinda cool tho! Now what was the subject here, oh yeah.

The C14 was on my list along with the GT to test drive, my dealer just sold both, so nothing to ride but an RT. Ended up getting a used GT for just a few thousand over the C14.

C14 is touted as being faster than the GT, but at the kind of speed this beast runs, that must be best out 3 thing I think. C14 gets like 37mpg, my GT gets 43 inbetween severe wrist twists :teeth

I don't know if the GT will hit 159 like a lot of people say, but I know it will cruise like on a rail around 120 -130. If we could get a GT lane put in on some interstates, well!

I can cruise down the hiway 2up with my wife, the ESA set on 1 helmet + luggage, dampening set to normal, what is that up ahead twisties, push button to firm on dampening, rock and roll. Just too cool in my book.
 

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Thank you for your service and the freedoms you provide.

I think all of us went through the same debate. I ride year around, unless there is ice, so heated grips and seat was a must. Mine was made easier after do the comparisons of bikes from the manufacturer web sites. T
he Kawa dealer had one Connie, would not even start it, no test rides, it looked cheap, and they were asking sticker plus.
The FJR had to be ordered ( 1-3 months) and paid in advance, if I didn't like it "something could be worked out", yeah right.
Bob's BMW had a few GTs (all blue, oh well, custom paint will be coming) and let me ride it as much as I wanted, both single and 2 up. After the wife got off, the smile on her face locked the deal. After negotiations I have a 2007 with everything other than TPM for under 19K. I hate getting off of it at work and can't wait to mount up after work.

Good luck and get back here safe.
 

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First of all, thanks for your service, and may you and your buddies accomplish your mission and come home safe.

The best advice is to ride them all and decide for yourself. Obviously, that's not really an option here.

Most guys on this site will be BMW biased, although I have read some comparisons here that are much fairer than the moto mags.

I bought the GT and love it. It's a stunning combination of power, technology, and comfort that you just can't get anywhere else. Pure sports bikes are a blast, but after 150 miles you're ready to crawl off of it while I'm not even through my first tank of fuel yet.

As for the three you mentioned, the FJR is like a Camaro: fun, fast, and a bit basic. The C14 is like an NSX: powerful with a bit of technology and styling but still a bit simple. The GT is like an M5: tons of technology married to a killer motor and suspension that you can just as easily ride 1,000 miles in a day, 150 mph, or leaned full-tilt through your favorite twisties.

I don't have a car so I need a bike that can pretty much do everything. For me, the GT just fits.


Fantastic post as it is exactly what I think too. I am 50 and I am not getting younger but I often think of adding an S with a GS and keeping my GT so I have the best of three worlds. :D
 

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GT Decision

Thanks for your service over there brother. Your country really does appreciate it.

The GT really is the ultimate combination of performance and options. All three bikes are nice though and you could probably be happy with any of them. The only thing I can add is that there is no way you should have to spend an extra $10k to get the GT. I bought mine last year and also spent under $19k for a well equipped bike (everything except the TSA and Traction Control.) For me, the beemer package was well worth the extra $5k.

Get home soon -
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I just bought my '07 GT a month ago. I have a '94 Honda VFR 750 which I've had since 1996. Going from the VFR to the BMW is a HUGE departure. I like the VFR, but I found that I didn't ride it enough and carbs would get gummed-up and require TLC. I wanted to go to something with EFI so after getting the VFR sericed for the carbs yet again, I drove over to the BMW dealership to check out the bikes. Now I needed a different motorcycle like I need a third nut, but I like riding from time-to-time, so I gotta keep a bike around. So the sales guy offers me test ride on the GT and I literally come back speachless. It was like riding on a cloud. Nice protection from the wind....variable suspension settings....handled much lighter than I expected for a substantially bigger bike. It was such a sweet ride compared to the VFR. One thing I did notice is that the VFR seems to have much quicker raw acceleration. You flick your wrist on the VFR and your heart skips a beat and you feel like it's going to throw you off the back. You flick your wrist on the GT and it's strong, powerful, and smooth, but it doesn't seem to have that raw and scary acceleration you get with the rice rockets. Just my perception and I don't have any data to work from, just an off-the-cuff comparison. So I bought a used '07GT with 5,000 miles on it from a private party and I'm pleased with my purchase. The VFR is for sale.....was a good bike, but I think my older, fatter body will enjoy the GT. I'm a little worried about maintenance braindamage with the tech-heavy GT, but it came with an extended warranty and I'll just have to cross fingers. Like other have suggested, take a test-ride and see how it strikes you. Compared to a rice rocket, the GT is cush and comfortable...I'd even venture to say it will give you a false sense of security with respect to one's riding ability as it handles so well and the suspension is so forgiving, but it's solid as sh*t and I can see why those who ride BMW's do so with such brand-loyalty.
 

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Thanks to all of you for your input. I am definitely leaning toward the 1200GT, it just sounds like the right bike for me even if the admission price is a little high. I also looked up the Ducati 1098. Has anyone seen this bike? A truly gorgeous and fast sport bike. Ducati even lowered their prices; you can get one of these beauties for like 15K. It is the sport bike rider in me being tempted! Although I know I could not buy one in the back of my head. All I have to do is imagine myself once again crouched over with neck pain and there goes that idea.

Has anyone had any dealings with these BMW dealers:

ENGLE MOTORS, INC. 6633 TRUMAN ROAD
KANSAS CITY, MO 64126

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BMW MOTORCYCLES OF OMAHA 6775 S. 118 STREET
OMAHA, NE 68137

Those are the two closest dealers to where I live and I will contact them about the GT. I will also ask the dealers but does anyone know when the 2009's would be available for order? I am not sure what kind of timetable BMW uses to release their new model year bikes.
 

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I also looked up the Ducati 1098. Has anyone seen this bike? A truly gorgeous and fast sport bike.

I will also ask the dealers but does anyone know when the 2009's would be available for order? I am not sure what kind of timetable BMW uses to release their new model year bikes.
Hi Vega,

Forget the Duc: it will be too sports bike, and after not 150, but maybe 200 miles, you'll fall off the bike with aching wrists and a sore back...

Normally BMW starts building the new year models after their summer break, which is in September. Expect the bikes to hit the dealers in the November timeframe...

Hope this helps

Rgds

Luc
 

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Has anyone had any dealings with these BMW dealers: ENGLE MOTORS said:
I bought my GT from the Omaha shop. Very nice guys Richard and Jim. I had my airbox done there last Thursday along with a Marsee tankbag and a Remus Powercone. They did not have the right bracket to attach it to my bike so I have to make another 118 mile trip there. I also changed the final drive oil for a third time.
 

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I bought my GT from the Omaha shop. Very nice guys Richard and Jim. I had my airbox done there last Thursday along with a Marsee tankbag and a Remus Powercone. They did not have the right bracket to attach it to my bike so I have to make another 118 mile trip there. I also changed the final drive oil for a third time.

One more thing. I left my house and about 50 miles into the ride it started raining. It rained hard for the next 68 miles. I was at the dealership for four hours while they did the upgrade. It had stopped raining then on the way home I chased the clouds going east and them decided to snow for the next 80 plus miles. I never stopped until I pulled in the garage. :teeth
 

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Thank's all for the input. Most of my buddies are still sport bike riders. I originally told them I was getting a 1098 Duc, which is an incredible bike. Of course they where happy, it being pretty much like the best mainstream sport bike ever made. Then I told them I was getting a K1200GT, and they where like a what? :confused:

Then I showed them some pictures and they said it looked like an old man's bike and compared it to a Goldwing... :rotf: They say why get something for an older person when you are 28 years old (sorta young I guess)? Then I tried explaining how awesome it's performance was, how there are plenty of younger guys that ride one etc etc. That kinda went over their heads. Now they have me thinking about that beautiful Ducati 1098 again arg! :boom:

Anyways, can someone post how bad my back and neck will hurt after a couple of hours with the Duc so I can finally call up the BMW dealer and order a 2009 and get it over with? :D
 

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Thank's all for the input. Most of my buddies are still sport bike riders. I originally told them I was getting a 1098 Duc, which is an incredible bike. Of course they where happy, it being pretty much like the best mainstream sport bike ever made. Then I told them I was getting a K1200GT, and they where like a what? :confused:

Then I showed them some pictures and they said it looked like an old man's bike and compared it to a Goldwing... :rotf: They say why get something for an older person when you are 28 years old (sorta young I guess)? Then I tried explaining how awesome it's performance was, how there are plenty of younger guys that ride one etc etc. That kinda went over their heads. Now they have me thinking about that beautiful Ducati 1098 again arg! :boom:

Anyways, can someone post how bad my back and neck will hurt after a couple of hours with the Duc so I can finally call up the BMW dealer and order a 2009 and get it over with? :D

I feel the K1200GT is more sport than touring, though with baubbles and bolt-ons you can balance it out more and really make the tour side of the bike very comfortable. You certainly won't be disappointed with the BMW (had mine 3 weeks now) or it's performance, it breaths fire! And if it's any consolation you can pick the front tire up in first and second gear.. :yeow: . though I don't recommend it.
 

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A good friend of mine, sitting in the cube next to me, has a 1098. An '07 I think....first year in any case. This guy is 31 and in decent shape. He cannot ride the thing for more than an hour at a time because of the way it rides.....very harsh and cramped. Plus the fuel tank is very small. Max range is about 100mi.

He's also had all sorts of issues with it stalling and not restarting. Apparently, that's been a pretty common problem on that bike.

He said it makes a great track bike, but a terrible street bike. The problem is it costs a small fortune to repair. The bike fell over in the trailer on his way to the track and scratched the side panel. That panel is $750! He's since bought an SV650 to use as his track bike and says it's so much more friendly to ride on the street than the Duc.

If you really want a sport bike and a BMW, take a good hard look at the K1200S or the K1200R. Otherwise, the GT is a great bike for trips and the twisties. I don't think you'll be disappointed in it.
 

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Just a suggestion..... have you looked at the K1200S? It's about half way between a GT and a pure sportsbike. The GT is a great long distance machine and fun in the twisties, but as you say, the styling is a matter of taste. Although I have had my GT for 18 months now and love it, if I had the money I'd have an S for "shorter" rides (I'd say up to 500 miles a day).
 

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Decisions, decisions.

Decided to replace my '94 R1100RS, looked at the FJR from a dealer that between my kids and I we had bought 21 bikes from him over a 12 year period. He didn't have a demo, he had a used one but would not let me demo the used one unless I put a deposit on it, if I didn't like it the deposit could apply to something else.

The Kawasaki dealer wanted sticker plus, no demo.

BMW, I went in to the dealer at 11:00AM, said I was thinking about either an RT or GT, maybe an K12S. He had demos of all of them, did hours on each, the GT last at 4:00 PM, they close at 6:00
quote unquote "we close at 6:00PM and are back in at 9:00AM, either drop it off tonight before we close or first thing in the morning." The local dealer provides a loaner bike 90+% of the time.

Yah it's more money but in my case the BMW dealer is so much better than the seven other dealers in town, I bought the BMW. any regrets none
 

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Hi Vega,

First of all, I would like to add my thanks for your dedication and sacrifice on behalf of our country.

Addressing your question:

I spent 2 1/2 years looking for a motorcycle to replace my aging Magna. I can only have one bike at a time, and it must last a long time. I ride 'em until they wear out.

I tested and rented many kinds of bike including cruisers, standards, sport bikes, tourers, and sport-tourers. I am not interested in off-road. I looked at many brands, including Harley-Davidson, Ducati, Victory, Triumph, and various Japanese manufacturers. I went to several motorcycle shows, and filled pages with notes - specs, measurements, pros and cons.

The bikes that made the short list were the BMW K1200GT, BMW R1200RT, and Yamaha FJR1300. I chose the K1200GT for its versatility, power, terrific handling, and the built-in features that weren't available on the Yamaha - cruise control, ESA, Xenon headlamp, heated grips and seat, TPM, etc... I love its carrying capacity, especially with a 49 liter top case.

The K1200GT was expensive (way more than the Yamaha), but spread out over the many years that I will ride it, I don't mind the price difference. It has been a year since I bought the K1200GT and I am 100% convinced that I made the right decision. I couldn't be happier - I want to go riding on it every chance that I get.
 

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Thank's all for your valuable input. I think I have knocked any temptation for another sport bike out of my head now. Does anyone know if the 2009's will have any changes and/or upgrades? Although the typical used discount is tempting, I usually buy new when I know I am going to keep a vehicle for a long time. I do routine maintenance myself so I know it is done correctly and nothing will prevent the bike from lasting a long, long time.
 
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