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The cage has a wider margin of error if something goes wrong. If you spin out, you don't fall down in a cage.
 

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Blkvelvt said:
The cage has a wider margin of error if something goes wrong. If you spin out, you don't fall down in a cage.
Besides, it is pretty well proven that a car is able to sustain higher cornering speed (or at least higher cornering g-forces) than a bike, generally speaking.

Mind you, a Mustang with its fairly crude suspension is hardly a paragon of excellence for handling. If it were something that could actually go around a corner like a Porsche, there wouldn't be much of a contest.

Acceleration? Now that's a different story... at least at anything below 200 -230 km/h or so, above which any bike's crappy drag coefficient puts it at a disadvantage.

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Besides, it is pretty well proven that a car is able to sustain higher cornering speed (or at least higher cornering g-forces) than a bike, generally speaking.

Mind you, a Mustang with its fairly crude suspension is hardly a paragon of excellence for handling. If it were something that could actually go around a corner like a Porsche, there wouldn't be much of a contest.

Acceleration? Now that's a different story... at least at anything below 200 -230 km/h or so, above which any bike's crappy drag coefficient puts it at a disadvantage.

Bob.
Totally agree.
 

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a local hotshoe in a hemi-dodge pickup truck will wax your ass or kill you trying........
definately not a good idea
 

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The G-force sustained in corners simply boils down to rubber on the road. The cage has four points about the size of a small pizza and the bike has two points the size of tennis balls. You can also dirt track the cage around and hang it out. Dirt tracking a bike all but disappeared when the bias tire was replaced with radials. Radials stick like heck and then let go.
 

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I learned the only way to make a good showing is to use the fact that the bike can( usually) out brake and out accelerate the car. Years ago I was very surprised by a guy in a Trans Am!
 

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I was just kidding about racing that Mustang. I was really fishing to see if you'd notice it's the Shelby Cobra GT500 that doesn't go on sale until June-July. Same engine as the Ford GT, making around 475hp in the Mustang. I came across it on a photoshoot for Ford on my local twisties. Ford hired these guys to take some pics to give to the magazines. Pulled over and asked if I could take some pics and they said no problem. The driver actually offered to swap with me, which was flattering. Some more...









Strangely enough, two days later my uncle from Portland stopped by on his way home from visiting his daughter in college, in his brand new Roush Stage 3 (supercharged)...





He thinks he'll sell it maybe in a year, so I'm fantasizing about picking up a bargain...





Of course, one must grab the keys for a test drive first...

 

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I may be all alone on this but here's what usually happens to me. Some guy in a new 'Vet or whatever sees me and nails it. I'll follow him close enough for him to know I'm there but far enough away that if he looses it he won't take me out.

I've found, almost without exception, they can't keep the pace and usually flag me to go by after a few minutes.

I've always thought the intensity was too high for most people to carry on more than 3 to 5 minutes. It appears to be mental fatigue.

When most cars are loosing traction I'm still not scraping things, however. These are really twisty roads I'm talking about. Most cars seem to start to struggle before you get to triple the posted limit.

In the canyons where I live I see this as the other way around. I have yet to run up on a car that can keep pace.
 

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I had a run of 40 to 50 miles in Oregon with a 325i. It ended up a push. No winner. A mutual respect to give each other the needed safety margin and a hell of a lot of fun, without doing anything too stupid. He was a local and knew the road very well. I followed him the entire way and pulled up next to him to show I could pass, but fell back. I was safer behind instead of in front. Great dicing.
 

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Sounds like it was a good run Blkvelvt, I also like tailing fast cages. It's good fun to let them know that the 30K+ cage cannot loose a 5K sports touring bike. ( And if they get stuck in traffic you can always wave as you pass :) )
 

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I may be all alone on this but here's what usually happens to me. Some guy in a new 'Vet or whatever sees me and nails it. I'll follow him close enough for him to know I'm there but far enough away that if he looses it he won't take me out.

I've found, almost without exception, they can't keep the pace and usually flag me to go by after a few minutes.

I've always thought the intensity was too high for most people to carry on more than 3 to 5 minutes. It appears to be mental fatigue.

When most cars are loosing traction I'm still not scraping things, however. These are really twisty roads I'm talking about. Most cars seem to start to struggle before you get to triple the posted limit.

In the canyons where I live I see this as the other way around. I have yet to run up on a car that can keep pace.
I've found this to be true for cars who "take me on" whether I'm on one of the bikes or in the M3. Usually it's someone dozing along and I pass them and then they just have to get on my ass and pass me. Must be a guy thing because I've never seen a woman do it.

Once when I was on the Duc, a guy on a full dress Harley (with someone in the Queen's seat to boot) tried to lose me on a back road. It was fun watching the sparks he made draggng his stuff on the pavement. Eventually he realized he couldn't get rid of me and he motioned me by.

The other day though, this guy in a Lotus and I were carving quite nicely (and relatively safely) through traffic together until we could open them up and get some distance. Great fun. :D
 

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I've found this to be true for cars who "take me on" whether I'm on one of the bikes or in the M3. Usually it's someone dozing along and I pass them and then they just have to get on my ass and pass me. Must be a guy thing because I've never seen a woman do it.

Once when I was on the Duc, a guy on a full dress Harley (with someone in the Queen's seat to boot) tried to lose me on a back road. It was fun watching the sparks he made draggng his stuff on the pavement. Eventually he realized he couldn't get rid of me and he motioned me by.

The other day though, this guy in a Lotus and I were carving quite nicely (and relatively safely) through traffic together until we could open them up and get some distance. Great fun. :D
You've got some interesting toys.

I noticed one being a Subaru. Here's a funny note. You know who the fastest drivers are up in my canyons?? It's the locals with a Subaru station wagon!!! They seem to consistantly run faster than the sportier cars. Go figure.
 

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You've got some interesting toys.

I noticed one being a Subaru. Here's a funny note. You know who the fastest drivers are up in my canyons?? It's the locals with a Subaru station wagon!!! They seem to consistantly run faster than the sportier cars. Go figure.
Station wagons? Outbacks? Nah...Oh, disregard the Yamaha R1 that kept getting smaller in my mirror. Must've thought I was a Volvo driver or sumthin...damn squids. :teeth



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NakedRider said:
You've got some interesting toys.

I noticed one being a Subaru. Here's a funny note. You know who the fastest drivers are up in my canyons?? It's the locals with a Subaru station wagon!!! They seem to consistantly run faster than the sportier cars. Go figure.
The Subie is a sweet little ride for a commuter car, which is what I use it for, not wanting to put 100+ miles a day on the M3 or the ix. I'm not surprised you notice people having so much fun in them, they are stable and handle very well. There's an STi in our garage, too, and that is a monster on the track...wet or dry it hauls. I know a guy who drags with a Legacy wagon...and he wins.
 
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