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OK....I'm curious, what should I get?

Is a car version the same as what they sell as Motorcycle versions?

ValentineOne?

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Escort?

Can it still detect rear radar when 'you' the driver are seated right behind it? Unlike a car install where it is center mounted.

Smoked windscreen a problem?
 

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kbmwrs said:
OK....I'm curious, what should I get?

Is a car version the same as what they sell as Motorcycle versions?

ValentineOne?

Vs

Escort?

Can it still detect rear radar when 'you' the driver are seated right behind it? Unlike a car install where it is center mounted.

Smoked windscreen a problem?
Car and bike versions are the same.
Valentine or Escort. You choose. Check www.radardetector.net for more info and comparisons. I have a Bel STi driver which is undetectable by radar detector detectors. Since I live in VA where RDs are illegal...
Yes, the RD can pick up radar behind the rider(s).
Smoke screen is not a problem. My RD is in my tankbag and it picks up radar just fine.
 

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Both are excellent detectors. The big difference is the V1's ability to tell you where the threat is coming from (direction). V1 requires a couple of additional parts for audio and possibility visual when used on a bike. Escort has units that have GPS locators within and are able to learn locations of false alerts. Your call! Personally, I can't imagine being without the ability to know what direction the signal is coming from.

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Some of the latest generation Escorts have some nifty features, but nothing beats the front/rear detection offered by the Valentine 1.

When I was asking the same question, I started looking at what the Long Distance Rider crowd was using. I figure guys that do 30-50K miles a year (or more) ought to know what works and what doesn't. Easily 90% of the LD bikes that I saw that had radar detectors were running V1s. So that's what I bought.

The only downside I've found with the V1 (besides price) is that it's not waterproof. But that goes for most radar detectors, and there are waterproof boxes that you can get.

I've been running a V1 for a couple of hundred thousand miles now, and it has saved me well over its own cost in tickets and insurance hikes. I pretty much won't ride the bike without it in place and active. In fact, the only time I take it off is when I have to do a long car drive, and then V1 comes off the bike and goes in the car with me . . .
 

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OK I'm sold on A V1.

Now what is required to wire it up? Considering our wonderful CANBUS.
Would it just be a hard wire to the battery terminals?

And I have a AUTOCOM system...can the audio be routed to it?

Yes I'm a chicken shittt when it comes to electrical so I'd need hand holding in this area.

Thanks guys.
 

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With all the new technologies the police are using these days like instant-on, laser, etc. are radar detectors really that useful anymore ?

Don't have one and not really sure they are worth it anymore, bought one a garage sale in the late 70's not sure it ever worked and gave it away a month later, 30+ years without and no complaints. Some VERY close calls though especially now that I ride the GT, including one yesterday.
 

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If it works once its paid for itself.....I know I should have had one last summer when I got that ticket in Nevada.


Ok, now I learned I need the V1 remote audio control unit to tap into my sound system. So that's another box and cost.

Weather proofing....Mmmmm I see that big box offered that seals the main unit. but....

Could I just cover it all up with a cheap motel shower cap when needed? Making sure it doesn't blow off of course. Will the RD still work through cheap clear plastic.
(Yeah I know about not speeding in the rain and that conversation)
 

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are radar detectors really that useful anymore ?
Yes. Mine has given me very useful early warnings too many times to count. I've even been saved from dead-on laser hits due to my V1.

A radar detector is not a "get out of jail free" card. It's just additional information about your immediate surroundings that can be used to make smart decisions. But it's still the rider who's in control of the bike, and the throttle . . .
 

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Could I just cover it all up with a cheap motel shower cap when needed?
Yeah, that works. You can also get elastic bowl covers in the grocery store that look like small shower caps that tend to fit the small V1 a bit better than a full-sized shower cap.

For a long time, my V1 was just velcroed on so if it started to rain I'd just unplug it and stash it away. Eventually I got the cover box and now I just keep on riding.

The Remote Audio Adapter is not waterproof, and would need to be tucked away somewhere safe and dry.

Alos take a look at LegalSpeeding.com. They carry various waterproof covers as well as LED-based warning lights that can be mounted high and centered on the bike or even up in your helmet.

Even the best radar detector is useless if you don't see/hear it go off . . .
 

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You can wire it directly to the tailight or parking light wire. That way the V1 will be on a switched circuit that cuts power with the ignition. I have mine wired via the tailight and no problems with the canbus. That also keeps everything nicely out of weather!

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mikeyr said:
With all the new technologies the police are using these days like instant-on, laser, etc. are radar detectors really that useful anymore ?

Don't have one and not really sure they are worth it anymore, bought one a garage sale in the late 70's not sure it ever worked and gave it away a month later, 30+ years without and no complaints. Some VERY close calls though especially now that I ride the GT, including one yesterday.
That's exactly my feeling but it varies with country and State. The places where they try to make radar detectors illegal are probably those where that is the technology they use and can't afford better, especially with economic and unemployment problems. I mean, spending a fortune trapping motorists for speeding misdemeanors isn't right when your buddies are out of work and taxes still have to be paid.

Over here they have been fitting 'always on' front and rear 'parking sensors' to cars. I assume these are the radar version, not the cheap high frequency ultrasonic type because I've seen pics on Utube of the cops on highway bridges getting zero readings as these cars drive past.

Recently somebody with a Porsche was the first to be busted for having one operating. They got him on stuff like evading the work of the cops. Not heard if he's going to appeal, but it probably won't stop others who will still take their chances.

You guys were the first to design stealth airplanes, so how about a stealth bike?



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That's exactly my feeling but it varies with country and State. The places where they try to make radar detectors illegal are probably those where that is the technology they use and can't afford better, especially with economic and unemployment problems. I mean, spending a fortune trapping motorists for speeding misdemeanors isn't right when your buddies are out of work and taxes still have to be paid.

Over here they have been fitting 'always on' front and rear 'parking sensors' to cars. I assume these are the radar version, not the cheap high frequency ultrasonic type because I've seen pics on Utube of the cops on highway bridges getting zero readings as these cars drive past.

Recently somebody with a Porsche was the first to be busted for having one operating. They got him on stuff like evading the work of the cops. Not heard if he's going to appeal, but it probably won't stop others who will still take their chances.

You guys were the first to design stealth airplanes, so how about a stealth bike?
The state over here in the US where radar detectors are illegal is Virginia (I think that's it?). Not only do they have an array of guns, they also have a radar detector detector so they can bust you for having one if they can sense it.

Escort came up with the Redline which is invisible to their detectors-detector so the game rolls on. Some ham operator in that state won against their law in court as the federal government's FCC allows him to receive signals which includes the cop's radar gun. Supposedly, he got pulled over but the cop saw the radar unit and cited him for it although he wasn't even using it. He used his ham license to get out of it somehow.

The jammers (aka: 'parking sensors') are interesting for laser and that technology moves forward too. Just got to get your speed down quickly so they can get a lock on your speed so it's important to alert you first while it's jamming his gun, you slow down, and then it releases.automatically. A bike has a small footprint for the laser to get a bead on over a car so a jammer might be better suited on one. You have to be a lot closer to for him to get you in the sights easily over a car or truck so you may see him before he sees you (Get your annual eye appointment made!). Spill-over would alert those around him with laser detectors too. It would be like shooting laser at tennis balls over broader radar beam.

Stealth bike would be nice though. Probably a bit more angular than some would like for radar. A nice 100% non-reflective laser paint job too.


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I tapped the electrical for my V1 into the GPS power connector under the front of the battery cover on my K12. I use the Legal Speeding HARD system, which works really well as long as you remember to turn it off when you're done riding. I just use a plastic bag and a rubber band when it rains, but that's not too often in New Mexico. It will stand a little wet and the most problematic part is the plug: if it gets wet it will send all kinds of goofy signals until it dries out. It has saved me 10X its cost in tickets over the years. I have found that instant-on is fairly rare and mostly used by the most dedicated revenue seekers, and even then you'll get warnings bounced off other cars before they shoot you.
 

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Thanks guys.

I'll be asking more questions about hook-up and mounting when I get closer to buying it.
Got to save up.
 

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mikeyr said:
With all the new technologies the police are using these days like instant-on, laser, etc. are radar detectors really that useful anymore ?

Don't have one and not really sure they are worth it anymore, bought one a garage sale in the late 70's not sure it ever worked and gave it away a month later, 30+ years without and no complaints. Some VERY close calls though especially now that I ride the GT, including one yesterday.
I agree with mikeyr, I ran with radar detectors for the last 4 years, two on my Kawi C14 and two on my ST. Problem is recognizing the threat and slowing down in time. Its dam near imposable to do. Every time I recognize the threat and slow down, I’m still exceeding the speed limit, 10 over is still a violation in California. I even got a citation for 5 over, go figure?
 

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Every time I recognize the threat and slow down, I’m still exceeding the speed limit, 10 over is still a violation in California.
But with no radar detector, you don't "recognize the threat" until you get pulled by the reds & blues at 20 over (or more). How is that better? :dunno:

The radar detector is merely a tool that gives you useful information about what's up ahead (or catching up from behind). You're still the one who's responsible for you own actions, and for paying attention to the current situation . . .
 

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If you never ever speed, you don't need one - and you know what the PSL of that section of road is even if you haven't seen a sign in miles.

However, if you even push maybe 5 MPH over in some areas of CA the silly fines, and especially court costs as set by different counties, can be $300-$500 now. My traffic school instructor was a CHP officer and his tolerance level was 10% of the PSL, unless he had a bad day and it became zero, or you were the only one out there and him. Go figger.

I figured one or two "situational awareness alerts" have paid for the device now. States like CA use the meter maids as a source of income. That's why the govenator didn't give them 3 furlough days a month as "They bring in money for the state" compared to other state workers.

So CA has flooded the roads with new CHP officers too. You can cross from CA to AZ and you immediately find that the speed limits increase to 75 MPH (I-40) and all traffic seems to move comfortably at that rate and at times even slower to 65-75 although the signs are 75 MPH. People will drive with what they are comfortable at, even Montana tried that experiment. CA is still locked into some very low speed limit areas so they get more tickets too. Far fewer meter maids working the highways in AZ too. They did use speed cameras to supplement the state income for a while, but since shut them down and only use the red light ones now. Not cool to go home and find 3 speed cam tickets maybe 8-10 months after the fact.

I do like the jelly baby bassinet on the back to the bike that can jettison the baby so the cop will have to stop to "Save the baby" that somehow fell off your bike so you can get away. One for the open car window too. :D


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But with no radar detector, you don't "recognize the threat" until you get pulled by the reds & blues at 20 over (or more). How is that better? :dunno:

The radar detector is merely a tool that gives you useful information about what's up ahead (or catching up from behind). You're still the one who's responsible for you own actions, and for paying attention to the current situation . . .
Sir,

I never said it was better go without. I only said that I agreed with other member. I’m merely stating that I’m going to op out not to use one on this bike.

You also inferred that I’m not responsible for my own actions; I don’t know how you would know this but you’re wrong. :wow2:

Most radar detection experts would agree that “paying attention” is your first and best line of defense against a radar violation. “paying attention doesn’t involve the use of a radar detector. False alarms from detectors can be distracting and annoying.
 

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....So CA has flooded the roads with new CHP officers too. You can cross from CA to AZ and you immediately find that the speed limits increase to 75 MPH (I-40) and all traffic seems to move comfortably at that rate and at times even slower to 65-75 although the signs are 75 MPH. People will drive with what they are comfortable at, even Montana tried that experiment. .....

Mack
Please don't lump us into the same paragraph with CA ! :teeth
 

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Hey Randog,

Nothing personal here, I was speaking in general terms. :)

I find that radar detectors are quite useful tools if you understand how they work and rely on your own senses and experience first. But having an "early warning system" is often quite useful.

Yeah, false alarms can be a pain, but after you put a few thousand miles on you learn to recognize "normal" behavior from "weird" behavior and it all just becomes part of the ride.

I see you're in Ventura, just down the road from me. Maybe we can run up Hwy 33 one day . . . :ricky
 
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