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I tend to be an aggressive rider when I am by my self, but when I ride with 2or more riders I try to accommodate the situation, but at the end of the day I usually take off on my own and meet them at our destination for the day, we all have gps's with the same route planned, so no worry of getting lost.they all say that this is not right and that we should ride together. they take it kind of personal, I try to explain to them that I don"t do it to hurt there feelings, I do it because I need my own space, can you please give me a second opinion on this .
 

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I agree totally. It drives me nuts riding with folks that stop every 100 miles and then spend 30 minutes doing it. Folks that won't pass, or ride slower, scared of curves, won't ride long distances, etc.

Some friends that have the like riding style, and I, went for a ride on a get together. Another couple insinuated themselves into our group. The wife burst into the restaurant (where we were almost thru eating) and proceeded to chew our asses for riding like the devil.

I have little tolerance for folks who think you should conform to their standards and even less for fools. Not to mention those that could get hurt riding like you do.

You are totally correct. Ride your own ride.
 

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I tend to be an aggressive rider when I am by my self, but when I ride with 2or more riders I try to accommodate the situation, but at the end of the day I usually take off on my own and meet them at our destination for the day, we all have gps's with the same route planned, so no worry of getting lost.they all say that this is not right and that we should ride together. they take it kind of personal, I try to explain to them that I don"t do it to hurt there feelings, I do it because I need my own space, can you please give me a second opinion on this .
Are you looking for a second opinion or for support to tell those friends to "Harden the F#@k up!"
Find a group of friends to sport ride with and if these cruisin mates dont get the joke, play cards with em, dont ride with em, Simple!
 

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Group riding is one of the easiest ways of falling out with people I have seen. No wonder that the term solo motorcyclist was in use in the early days of motorcycling. Riding in groups is a relativly modern thing apart from the motorcyle gangs which had a leader. Now every body wants to be the leader and no one wants to make decisions and take the responsibility of the group.
I run my local motorcycle club and the ethos is everyone enjoys the day out, but that never happens, its either too hot or too cold and they make that feel like its your fault. Route planning is ignored because somebody knows better, but they dont really. Timing is shot from the beginning as 9 am start does not mean turn up at 9.30 then go find fuel.
Basic touring rules such as stop every 100 miles for fuel top up for all and 5 mins leg stretch does not mean 20 miles down the road pointing like a demented devil at your filler cap and then saying I thought I had enough. The agreement that boring highway sections are completed swifly at a gps recorded 87 mph ( best speed to avoid unwelcome attention ), brings afterwards a torrent of abuse that it was too fast to keep up. You have a 160 mph machine dimwit how can it be too fast, why did you buy it.
One hour lunchstops become two as people wander off and 5 mins before time to set off decide that they need to strip off to go to the loo or adjust the chain at the side of the road with a pair of pliers.
You can spend days planning a route that these by-pass warriors would never have travelled and every time at the end of the day you wish that you have never had bothered.
Thats if someone turns up in the first place.
No wonder I like riding on my own or with a select few that recognise what biking is all about, the ride, the self sufficiency, and the shared experience.
Riding in a group can bring its rewards but they are rare, just the odd " That was the best day out I have ever had" makes it worthwhile,
 

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Tell your buddies to blow.

Group riding sucks. I do 99.9% of my riding solo. Way too many issues and attitudes to deal with when it comes to others. In 20 + years of riding I have yet to find any one that likes to ride like I do. That's the whole point. It's a solo individual freedom thing. No clubs, no rallies, no organized trips. Though there are a couple of guys here that I wouldn't mind meeting up with one day. This is the only place that I have ever found that there are a few guys with like riding attitudes.

Most people look at 1000's of mile long trips as an epic adventure. To me it's the whole...."point of the journey is not to arrive"..... thing. No planning, just a map and a direction. It's a rare day to get on the bike and only go 100 or so miles.

Personally I believe that the GT more than any other bike out there is THE solo machine. There isn't a better one made.

If you want to be part of the group or poser scene, buy a hog, put it on a trailer, drive it to a hotel 10 miles out of the city, and only take it out on sunny days above 75 degrees. There's a bout 20,000 of them down here in Austin TX where I'm visiting right now for some rally. What a freaking joke. I don't get it and don't want to.
 

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Damn, I thought I was the only one...

It's really great to see that the opinion I have of group riding isn't really a "fault in my personality" as an EX-SO told me. I was the one who always put together the rides for an "all riders invited" club. That was just about shit-simple of me. I shoulda known better in the first place. You just can't satisfy more than a couple people that ride and think like you do. That's it!
I'm just glad to see there are a LOT of other people that have seen the light also. Looking at some of the other posted comments, I thought I had written them myself.
Now, I ride solo or with only two other guys that enjoy the same type of riding.

Bill
 

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Ok

OK, I HEAR YOU, That makes me feel normal agian the guy's were really picking on me the other day that is why I posted this, I been riding mostly solo , pick up and go and not sure when I come back.I find most people spend more time planning, then accually riding, . A friend of mine told me that they where planning a trip to Italy next year and I responded, that I was leaving for Spain in 8weeks , asked me when this came up and I said coulpe a days ago , The beauty about this is that I don't have to make anyone happy but my self, I'll be down south in the states. come September It would be cool to run into a few GT BOY'S when I come down.
 

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Groups aren't all bad

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...they all say that this is not right and that we should ride together.
I think I've been lucky with my riding buddies and for the most part on group rides. A (very patient) old roommate of mine pretty much taught me to ride on the borrowed bike of another roommate, and we rode together pretty often. I have a few other friends I ride with on and off, but for the most part I solo.

When we ride together it's pretty established that we ride our own pace through the corners, and make an effort to group up on the straights and always at intersections. This works out well, since it's pretty easy for the leader to ride slow (i.e. the speed limit) in the straights and let everyone catch up.

If I rode with a whiner that complained about not sticking together, I probably wouldn't ride with them again. Or would make it a point to get everyone to agree to some solid ground rules before the ride.

I like riding with other people though. I've had trouble on the road, and it's nice to have someone who can help out or in the worst case go for help. (And then laugh their asses off at your motorcycle hanging from a tree... while waiting for the towtruck to show up.)

I've done a few pickup rides around here, with varied results. Sometimes they're great, sometimes it's just a big mess. Often I'm "the old guy" on local pickup rides so I ride sweep -- I don't really mind, I just hang way back before the good bits and then I can ride a fast pace through the corners and not worry about the slower folks in front of me.

On the other hand, it's great to get with a group of mature riders on K1200GTs and let it rip. How ya doing Dave!
 

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I think I've been lucky with my riding buddies and for the most part on group rides. A (very patient) old roommate of mine pretty much taught me to ride on the borrowed bike of another roommate, and we rode together pretty often. I have a few other friends I ride with on and off, but for the most part I solo.

When we ride together it's pretty established that we ride our own pace through the corners, and make an effort to group up on the straights and always at intersections. This works out well, since it's pretty easy for the leader to ride slow (i.e. the speed limit) in the straights and let everyone catch up.

If I rode with a whiner that complained about not sticking together, I probably wouldn't ride with them again. Or would make it a point to get everyone to agree to some solid ground rules before the ride.

I like riding with other people though. I've had trouble on the road, and it's nice to have someone who can help out or in the worst case go for help. (And then laugh their asses off at your motorcycle hanging from a tree... while waiting for the towtruck to show up.)

I've done a few pickup rides around here, with varied results. Sometimes they're great, sometimes it's just a big mess. Often I'm "the old guy" on local pickup rides so I ride sweep -- I don't really mind, I just hang way back before the good bits and then I can ride a fast pace through the corners and not worry about the slower folks in front of me.

On the other hand, it's great to get with a group of mature riders on K1200GTs and let it rip. How ya doing Dave!
Very well rounded approach I think. There are times for each of those types of riding. The older I get the more I enjoy doing things with friends but riding is like snow skiing, each to his own pace in the corners.
 

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Planning and transitions foremost. You want to make some time, hookup with an ironbutt guy. He has a GPS, but seems to never go where it says, at least mine is useless so I just turn on the mp3. He gets the map out and tells you where we are going and what roads, if you want to go, jump on your bike, otherwise you are on your own, meet you there, ha.

Stop, get gas look around, he is sitting on his bike quietly waiting for you to nod that you are ready to go, when does he go to the restroom, and what the hell does he drink??

He knows all the good places to stop for lunch or dinner, right next or near the fuel stop, always keeps his gas receipts (habits are hard to break, ha).

His group rides always end up with only 3 bikes left including his, ha. They get hung up in traffic, he never looks back, says it will work out, they know where we are going! Too funny, but I love chasing him all over the country, ha.

His rides are sorta like this post, everyone else is on page 1, I jump in, but too slow, I'm on page 2, pretty much like I said.
 

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My best rides have been solo... I do ride with brother-in-law and his brother at times but they ride cruisers and connot/do not keep up but I try to "keep down" with their style riding because they are great guys and are fun to be with. That makes for a great day but not neccessarily a great ride. They never complain if I go ahead of them and meet them at the next stop sign or mutually agreed upon location- they understand and that makes my day. If I was riding with people who did not understand or complained, I would quit that group in a heartbeat...
 

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Tell your buddies to blow.


If you want to be part of the group or poser scene, buy a hog, put it on a trailer, drive it to a hotel 10 miles out of the city, and only take it out on sunny days above 75 degrees. There's a bout 20,000 of them down here in Austin TX where I'm visiting right now for some rally. What a freaking joke. I don't get it and don't want to.
So it's all or nothing for you? Either people ride like you do or they are posers, or worse, H-D riders! Geeez.....you do need to ride by yourself.
 

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Sometimes it is nice to have other biking buddies when you stop for lunch etc. Also if you are riding with the sports guys it does make your heart-beat raise a little.
 

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Well said, bonafidebob, especially the last sentence
Strange, we in Cape town feel the same, so far away, yet so near
 

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Groups are OK - With Expectations Set

It isn't either or. I prefer riding with at least one other bike for safety's sake. Coming back from Georgia three weeks ago, our group of 6 bikes was now two as people peeled off. I watched my buddy put his Valkyrie into a six foot ditch on a slick road. He and his wife were very glad we were there, and so were we.

On that same trip, we rode with a trike Wing and another slow rider, the other four of us were faster. That was our order, I lead with the trike in back. I got to rip and the longest we waited for them was 3 minutes as we stopped when they were completely out of site. Having meals and experiencing the same roads and scenery is so much better with a group of like-minded friends. This is also why 95% of my riding is with my wife on board.

Our church group does Wednesday ice cream rides. All are welcome, and all show up if you know what I mean. But the point of a 30 mile jaunt through the country side to some frozen custard joint is not the ride but the socializing.

I do agree that group rides can be a pain if you don't know all the riders and all the expectations have not been communicated. Trying to lead my brother-in-law last year was an exercise in patience. But I'll always prefer to ride with at least one other bike. In fact we are hesitating going to Wyoming because our usual two riding partners may not go.

In the end, ride your own ride, but don't dis all group rides.
 

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I've done a lot of both but riding alone is more in the spirit of motorcycling in my opinion. Going cross country evokes a simpler time even though there are not many simple things left in this world especially motorcycles. That's the reason for the Velocette, the 305, and those wonderful old two strokes.

There are lots of memories of group rides but the ones you do alone stick with you longer, feel better the more miles you pile on and some casual observers (automobile types) are struck with awe when California plates are seen on the opposite coast. However, when alone you can push yourself past the point of enjoyment and other riders sometimes bring you down a peg to enjoy the view just a bit longer.

Still, riding all over the US alone is about the only accomplishment worth tackling again and again with it never the same, never boring and if lucky, always on a different bike.
 
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