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Charging problem! 09 - K1300s

521 views 17 replies 7 participants last post by  EricK1300GTSE  
#1 ·
I'm racking my brain over here. I'm new to K bikes, I have a 2009 k1300s that won't charge. It all started when I was riding around and then lost 100% of electrical power. Then about 5 seconds later it turned back on. For the most part it rode fine for the next 20 minutes of my commute. When this happened my headlight blew, My battery light came on and my red hazard light came on. I replaced the front headlight but the battery light and hazard light are still on. I just took the bike out yesterday around the neighborhood and ran into the same issue where I would lose 100% of my electrical power for a short period and then it would come right back on.

With the bike on, I'm getting 12.7 volts at the battery at all RPMs. I also checked voltage at the alternator from be 12 volt stud to ground and got the same voltage with no change dependent on RPM. My battery is a lithium battery with a built-in jumper, I have no experience with those so I thought maybe there is an issue with the battery because when I would lose 100% of the electrical power, I would check voltage at the battery and it was essentially zero volts. My initial thinking was that it was automatically jumping itself back to life. At this point I just swapped a new battery in and am still having the same issue.

Now I'm thinking it was the alternator all along but I don't really know how to test it. I can't find a whole lot of information online or any wiring diagrams. I don't want to just replace the alternator without knowing but have no idea how to really check or diagnose this issue. I'm experienced electrically in mechanically so that's not the problem... It's just the lack of information I can find. Any help will be greatly appreciated because I'm running out of nice weather this season!
 
#2 · (Edited)
I've witnessed lithium batteries shut off if shorted or overloaded, and read zero volts. Then pop a charger on the battery for 10 seconds and it comes back as if nothing happened. You might have a charging system shorting out.

12.7 volts running seems low.

Edit- don't disco the battery. But your voltage does seem low. Basically a shelf battery voltage.
 
#3 ·
I've witnessed lithium batteries shut off if shorted or overloaded, and read zero volts. Then pop a charger on the battery for 10 seconds and it comes back as if nothing happened. You might have a charging system shorting out.

12.7 volts running seems low.

Does the bike run with the battery disconnected? (start the bike and pull off the battery leads, careful not to short them together)
With a new battery installed, bike starts up fine at around 12.8 volts. The voltage never changes from the time I start the bike and throughout revs. I pulled the negative lead off the battery and the bike died right away.
 
#4 ·
Reading the above it seems your alternator diodes are Kaput, or youve lost a phase inside the wiring of the thing. You should be seeing ~14.3-14.6v at the battery at about 3000rpm, 12.4v at rest. Seeing a continuous 12v regardless of rpm means your alternator isn't charging the battery.

These bikes are canbus and relatively sensitive to correct voltages, so if not enough, it will shut down to protect itself (ECU etc).

I think the battery might still be good enough, but needs to be tested on a carbon pile or quality battery tester. A lithium with in built bms will also protect itself by simply switching off if they get drawn down too low (e.g. below bms min voltage set point) if new, might be worth having it tested.

Dont just drop a new battery into it, as defective alternators have been known to drag brand new batteries down to failure really fast (cars and bikes).

An auto electrician would be able to confirm a failed alternator. Replacement diodes or alternator rewinds are possible. Also check all the earth connections.

Last point, remove the alternator and starter motor and clean them out with compressed air, carbon dust etc. can cause trackinh and spurious voltages. With the starter motor, you need to remove the outer cover to expose the windings, and add a bit of bearing grease to its bearings.

Best of luck mate
 
#7 ·
Alternator functions the same as a car's alternator. Similar size engines in some small cars.

An auto electrician can test the diode and check for continuity (resistance) in the wiring. If you have a multimeter, you can check if the wiring has a fault by measuring resistance between each phase and ground. Infinite resistance (Ohms) in any phase indicates a broken wire, as there should be some resistance. I'm not sure how to check diode function, hence the suggestion to take it to an auto electrician.

Get the battery checked as well as suggested.
 
#11 ·
I fried my alternator diodes by starting the bike w/a 10 amp charger on it, FWIW.

Fortunately a replacement alternator was "cheap"
Going to go ahead and pull the alternator tonight, thanks for the input.. definitely makes me feel better about pulling it out. I'll keep you posted!
An alternator repair shop might be able to source the regulator rectifier parts of yours.
Blown lights are a symptom of over charging so voltage reg not rectifier.
Ebay is your friend.....maybe?
 
#14 ·
Oh don't scare him.

I removed the gas tank on the side of the road using only the tools on the bike (and a 6mm allen key that I now put in the bike).

Mostly it's removing the tupperware.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Got the alternator out, try to take to my local shop to do a bench test but since it's not pulley driven... Any way to test it with just a multimeter? I'm not really seeing an easy way to get to the windings.

-took a stab at it.... Took the cover off, it looks like these are the windings. I have ~.1ohms resistance between the windings. I took each one to ground and also have continuity... That's pointing to a bad alternator right?
 

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#16 ·
Got the alternator out, try to take to my local shop to do a bench test but since it's not pulley driven... Any way to test it with just a multimeter? I'm not really seeing an easy way to get to the windings.
I tested it by installing an ebay alternator and seeing that it was charging.

I did this without even installing the gas tank, just running off what's in the lines. Use the multimeter across the battery to see if you have nice juicy volts